Frogboy

Innociv, i'm not saying i think u should leave( i dodn't u provide another side of the argument even if u are usually negative) but their are other demigod sites.

It's this type of ridiculous statement that gets people up in arms with you, because they really can't take you seriously.  Innociv, I know you have the capability of providing constructive feedback because I've seen you write such posts.  If I may make a friendly suggestion, try putting the hyperbole aside and just stick with the feedback.

Developers are just as passionate, if not moreso, about their games than we the gamers are.  Not only are they making a game they want to play, they pour blood, sweat, and tears into trying to turn that game concept into reality.  The idea that developers would antagonize their customer base because they "hated" the way they play the game is, in my opinion, preposterous at best, if not outright offensive at worst.

@Frogboy:  Thanks for the screenshot that shows some nice UI enhancements.  I just have a question for you, if you can answer?  When you talk about the differences between B3 and Release, are you referring more to the UI and other... I don't know quite the word I'm looking for, lets just say "User experience" features, or are there planned gameplay changes going to be taking place as well?

  Er.. It's true though.  But I'm not going to get into that here.  You've had to have played sins from the begining, and read the forums, that's all.
  I'm not saying this is remotely the case with GPG though.

  You're right, Ironclad put their blood, sweat, and tears into sins to make the game they wanted.  And they just seemed to hate people who played games to win, and memorized all the mechanics they for some reason chose to have hidden in the lua type files.  It's their call, but you can't help but blame me and others who wanted to play it seriously only for not liking them wanting to make it unplayable for our type.  I stopped caring about it long ago, and just understood they simply didn't want people to play the game competitively.

  It's someone else who brought up "other forums", and that's the only one I can think he meant, unless there is some other innociv somewhere else.  And I was very constructive on the sins forum too until all the crap about all the people who didn't know how to play the game calling all the people who where knowledgably elitest and blah-blah because we'd correct them on their incorrect "facts" about the game and strategies.
  And it's starting to become the same here.. The stardock community as a whole seems to have a distain for the people who are good at the games.   I'm not sure what you can do about a game to make it where you can be good at it, and win your first match against someone who knows the game inside and out, knows the netlag timing, knows the stats of all the skills, knows all the map layouts, and so on.  A noob loses against a competitive person like that, and blames the game, and then we get blamed for correcting them by saying that "no it isn't imbalanced, you just got out-played".. :/
  The GPG forums are so much better.  But that also can't be the forum the guy was referring to, since there is both nothing there to make me say anything short, and there is no one there that'd go off on me from certain posts I might make if I did make them.

I'm not sure why everyone here is so focused on derailing discussions by calling Innociv a troll.  I've found his comments here to be accurate, by and large, and his opinions are, well, opinions.  I didn't know it was trolling to have a viewpoint on a game that you don't agree with. 

RaveBomb, whether or not you agree with the play to win crowd, they are very important, especially to a game like Demigod.  This game is built from the ground up for competitive online play.  If you fail to balance the game for this crowd, the game will fail, period.  This is why I take posts on balance from people like TheBigOne very seriously.  Individuals who can play at that level usually know more about the games balance, what works, what doesn't, what is exploitable and what isn't than the games own devs.

So the proper attitude should be only giving positive feedback no matter what they throw at us?

I'll give it a shot, I love the way generals ended up when GPG used all the feedback we gave them, /end sarcasm