The UB needs to be powerful because he cannot surprise any one. There are several Dgs that can surprise you and then pick up the kill. The UB can just get in your face and survice long enough to slay you where you stand.

Given the fact that this is the UBs role I am surprised to see that UBs power is used as an excuse as to why he should be nerved. If you see an UB, just run. Take the spit damage if you must, but run! Fighting it out toe-to-toe with one of the strongest melee DGs is a mistake unless you have support from a teammate or you know exactly what you are doing.

lolz

He's not OP, just easier to play than the others.

Go ooze, right click, guy dies, talk shit, repeat.

but yeah, if you see ooze, get a wand of speed. run away.

see spit? use level 3 sedna heal, erebus mist, oak shield before a spit, or oak shield lvl 3 after spit to be clear of the dmg. It does it's damage over time, so just don't sit there and take it.  Organzie your team so players that can counter spit are on the beast side of hte map.... and players that are good against ooze are on the beast side of the map etc.

All you need to counter anything in this game is team work, and items.

Overall, erebus is the biggest peice of shit ever, if u want to complain complain about him haha.

P.S. I play random proficiently, every dg is broken in their own way. but lvl 2 bat swarm = thank you for the portal flag - meet my friends the giants. thats a game breaker.... that and at level 1 with priests he can 2v1 the heath flag on cat while your other 2 demis rape their tower and cap their gold mine flag early. oh well. His "balance" is that at higher levels the returns on level gain diminishes. But games wont go to level 20 if you have a decent ereb on your team. plus.... you have oak for that late game shit. I call oak the "game timer" if you don't win by the time oak gets a decent level.... its over. haha hurray DG!

If you can name one other Demigod that has self-stat increases, aoe, dot, speed debuff, movement speed, AND stun... all rolled into one package, than you can make a comparison and say UB is not OP... but until there is one other character that comes even close to being that versatile and that only has to worry about armor/hp stacking all game to hit 9,000 HP in a fight... than I'd say UB is very very very OP. I can't even play UB because it is so OP and easy to play, it is just not any fun.  UB needs to be whacked with the gimp stick and beat with it a few more times while it is down!

UB is fine. Every character can be broken, this reminds me of the pyro threads on steam, all noobs do is bitch about the pyro even though it's blatantly clear it is the demo with the balance issues.

I always thought an Oak and LE could easily beat a UB and Sedna combo...

Need to retry tactics methinks

I read a lot os posts on this forum, ntropy, man, u speak the truth a lot bro.

Erm, Ooze with Post-Mortem and Nature's Reckoning will own an Erebus minion build. In nearly every game I play it's my job as UB to clear out the minions. It's important to get some armor to handle the auto-attack damage from the minions. I ALWAYS take post-mortem at level 6 with all of the minion builds running around. Post-Mortem is the key factor to defeating minion builds. If Post-Mortem stacked with plague, I'd take plague too. UB is a counter to Erebus' minion builds, not the other way around. If anything, Erebus counters spit by misting, but the cd is twice as long. This means every other spit will get through.

Rook can do a decent job of countering UB. In a melee fight, Hammer Slam 4 and God Strength are very dangerous. Slow-stacking Reguluses can do a decent job of countering UB as long as it's a 2v2 fight, and anyone can buy an Orb of Defiance to counter spit. Sedna with priests are a decent counter, too.

HP items are fine, learn to play around them, you are doing it wrong if you try to go toe to toe with a health stacking beast, with ooze and a spit DOT on you. you are asking to be raped, if you have lost like this, you deserve to lose.

I'm no pro, so I like to play UB since it´s easier. But I always have problems when I'm against an Ice TB. There was this guy with ice Tb and Poisoned Dagger, I just couldn´t get near him.

Maybe it´s my own fault, I go Spit + Ooze + healt stack, but Ice TB debuffs seems to be able to handle it well.

The unfortunate thing for arguments about game balanced, is that they are almost always initiated by people with very little credibility or thought.

I mean, UB is one of the best DG's, it may even be he's too powerful.  But when the opening argument is something like "Spit is 2 gud, my armor desn't help!" very little time is spent rebutting the point.

My general opinion is that the Beast/Sedna combo is, or has been, the best, and win more often than any other 2. It is simply a bit more efficient than others. Beast's spit is good, though I think not a game breaker in and of itself.  Combine it with either speed difference gear (Slow them, or speed you) or ooze/grasp control, and I think it is arguable to say that he is better than he ought to be.

Does that mean he wins 100% of the time?  No, but the mid 60's in percentage is generally a substantially larger advantage than it looks.