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Time Warner to punish gamers, other internet users.

By on April 3, 2009 10:20:14 AM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums External Link

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Time Warner Cable is going to start charging its customers extra to download games, watch videos or even update your games.  This is going to adversely affect any internet based business, regardless of actual cost to the customer.

Percieved pricing will prevent some customers from using services like Impulse and Steam. 

Imagine downloading a "free" 8 GB HD movie and having to pay $8.00 just for downloading it?  Yep, it's $1.00 per GB.

Time Warner did a test run of the price gouging effort in a few cities and is now poised to widen its grip nationally. 

Locally, a city council member has spoken out against Time Warner, but to what avail?

Leffingwell said not only will the plan have a significant effect on families who use the Internet to watch videos, download music or other activities that take up significant bandwidth, he’s also worried about the impact it would have on business owners, particularly those who work in the high-tech and creative services industries who need continued access to broadband Internet.

  Leffingwell chastises Time Warner for Internet pricing plan 

There's a loophole for some of us.  Even though Time Warner has the monopoly on cable and dsl internet service where I live, a secondary provider that uses Time Warner's infrastructure doesn't have to apply the same pricing scheme.  I got word from Earthlink this morning that they have no plans to copy Time Warner and that their customers are safe from the price increases.  A time Warner customer can simply switch over and still use the exact same infrastructure as before and maintain peace of mind while using the internet. You don't even need to change your cable or DSL modem. 

Hopefully, more customers will be able to find secondary providers like Earthlink.  I'd suggest that any TW customers switch to whatever secondary provider is in their area before this hits the fan.

 

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April 3, 2009 10:53:57 AM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

Jee, this is rediculous! Where are you living anyway?!

Here there are so many I-Net providers who more or less BEG you to choose them as your provider that none of them could even THINK about pulling such a stunt without having all it's customers immediately switch to another provider.

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April 3, 2009 11:01:21 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

An alarming development. Here's hoping it fails miserably, because if it doesn't I'm betting you'll start to see more and more providers jump on the bandwagon.

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April 3, 2009 11:19:00 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

I already contacted my Congressman on this.

 

Hmm, switch to earthlink.

 

 

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April 3, 2009 11:24:35 AM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

Where I live, I use Indo NetZap because there is no Time Warner. I don't like either way.

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April 3, 2009 11:25:46 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Well, i read the linked article, and it states that it cost $1 extra for each gigabyte OVER the bandwidth usage limit the customer chooses to pay for. Fixed monthly pay of for example $30.00 for 20 GB/month + $1 extra for each GB that goes over the 20 GB (prices and limits are pure guesses). I have an unlimited bandwidth for a fixed monthly pay, so of course this worse than that, but not quite as terrible as you make it sound.

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April 3, 2009 11:34:15 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

I'd already heard that they were rolling out the caps to other markets, but thanks for the heads-up that earthlink also services their networks. Just checked and they're available here, so if TWC decides to expand the caps to here I've got my exit plan

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April 3, 2009 11:35:02 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Figures, I just switched over to Time Warner a month ago.  And I don't have any other options in my area (aside from satelite, and I'd rather not have to resort to that, it's my understanding that satelite sucks for gaming.)  So I guess they have an iron grip on me.  Hope this falls through before they implement it in my area (if they ARE going to implement it in my area, it's kind of rural, so hopefully they'll overlook me until last and by then maybe we'll have other options).

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April 3, 2009 11:47:15 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

A much better link for all the info can be found here.

It really sucks that Time Warner RoadRunner high speed internet is using tiered or metered downloading into Rochester. Just when we finally get a reason to have broadband with services like hulu, netflix, impulse and steam, this happens.

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April 3, 2009 11:57:39 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Think of people using consoles even...XBOX Live play much?

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April 3, 2009 12:05:21 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

I hope there's enough of an uproar for that stupidity to cease.

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April 3, 2009 12:06:43 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

I'm sure there will be an uproar (and likely lawsuits) once more people realize that this also puts Vonage at a major disadvantage to TWC's own digital phone service (which is most likely excepted from the caps).

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April 3, 2009 12:33:50 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Yipes. I feel bad for everyone who has no other option. Makes me thankful TimeWarner doesn't have anything over here. Yay Charter.

Let's hope the public/private outlash will make them change their minds, or it will only be a matter of time until the other giants follow suit..

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April 3, 2009 12:35:32 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

The best weapon for stopping this evil  greedy pricing is by spreading the word to friends and family.   The more people who know the greater force we'll have for fighting against this  evil.

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April 3, 2009 12:44:38 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting kryo,
I'd already heard that they were rolling out the caps to other markets, but thanks for the heads-up that earthlink also services their networks. Just checked and they're available here, so if TWC decides to expand the caps to here I've got my exit plan

 

They've announced the next markets to get it

 

Greensboro NC, Rochester NY, San Antonio and Austin TX.

 

I'm in one of those markets, and they're losing my business.

 

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April 3, 2009 12:48:15 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting arstal,

they're losing my business.
 

That's the best way to get rid of this, vote with your wallet.  If they do this in my area I'll go back to dial up if I have to (though that will suck big time).

Edit: About their initial experiment with this, those stats probably aren't representative of actual usage, those people were probably told what was happening and curbed their downloading so as to avoid the charges.  That just shows that this policy will affect downloadable services adversely (Impulse, Steam, Videos).  Stardock should be more concerned about this, if the idea catches on then there could be trouble.  It's not the end of the world, though.  There will always be someone who comes along and offers the service at a flat rate so as to attract the unsatisfied customers of this tiered system.  I'm not worried.

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April 3, 2009 2:57:03 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Honestly, this is the biggest threat to Stardock's business model out there right now.

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April 3, 2009 3:11:20 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

I'm in Quebec Canada and here my service provider is Videotron and since they've had Braodband they've had caps. I pay 30$ a month for 20 gig. I can get unlimited but it's like 60$ a month.

 

So no big surprise for me I'm already used to it.

 

one good point though to this system is that my quality of my internet connection is garanteed. My connection is A1 all the time.

 

Hope you guys won't get hammered to much.

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April 3, 2009 3:15:49 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

so, time warner cable is finally doing somthing no one likes, i have them and im very upset by it, i download games and updates alot on my computor, and in these times in the US im not sure ill be able to keep doing that for long

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April 3, 2009 3:29:46 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting Solam,
I pay 30$ a month for 20 gig. I can get unlimited but it's like 60$ a month.

That's way better than Time Warner customers get, the 40 gig per month deal is close to $60 and there is no uncapped option.  So you've still got it better than Time Warner customers.  By the way, if those values are Canadian dollars that means you get an even BETTER deal.

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April 3, 2009 3:50:03 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

I don't understand the point of racking the speeds up and up if it just means you can burn your usage away more quickly.

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April 3, 2009 3:57:24 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Quoting Nights Edge,
I don't understand the point of racking the speeds up and up if it just means you can burn your usage away more quickly.

That's exactly why they're doing it, though. Think about it. Netflix started offering streaming movies through the Xbox so you don't even need to buy another device, and they can actually stream in HD. There are other movie streaming sites as well.

Fast speed and a cap on usage is perfect, you can watch one HD movie stream and there goes 7gb of your 20gb cap in 2 hours!

Can you imagine how much money they'd make on overage charges this way?

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April 3, 2009 3:59:28 PM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

A lot of the problem isn't even what the pricing structure actually does.  It's what it appears to do and how it makes the customer feel.  The cap will make people shy away from large downloads, even if they're nowhere near the limit. 

Take, for instance, cell phone users such as my wife.  She has more included minutes available than she could possibly use.  She uses much less than 1% of what she has before she comes close to the limit.  She also gets roll over minutes that keep adding up and eventually just expire from non-use.  Just having the limit makes her feel the need to limit her cell phone use.  The same psycological effect will happen with the internet caps.

I know that I can easily afford $1/GB if I exceed the limit, but I'll also tend to limit my usage with the mere threat of extra charges.  Although some people will shrug the limits off, the majority will feel constrained by them.  Let's say a game takes 300MB to download.  Even though it won't affect the actual cost of the connection, many people will avoid it. 

I'm just glad that there are anti-monopoly laws that allow providers like Earthlink to compete with giants like Time Warner and even use their infrastructure.  If there was another option within reason, I'd look into them as well.  As it stands, we don't have any DSL providers in our area and only one cable provider.  Unfortunately, that's Time Warner.  There are others in the same boat.

 

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April 3, 2009 4:20:35 PM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

For DSL up my way, you pretty much only got Verizon, perhaps some Earthlink though.  Cable however is only available via whomevers TV territory you are in.  So even if I WANTED Comcast cable internet...I cannot have it. I'd love to have the internet packages from about...1.25 miles to my east.  Their equal in speed service is $10/month cheaper.

Oh yeah..and both of those cable providers farm out their internet service to the SAME company.

Free pizza to those who help me move my house a couple thousand feet.

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April 3, 2009 4:36:19 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Not only companies are charging outragous prices for simple internet service, they are also doing bandwidth shaping.

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April 3, 2009 4:46:58 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

As the government here in the US gets more and more controled by big business (rather than the people) this was bound to happen.  Banks and home morgages; credit cards and 30% interest with hidden fees and surprise penalties; oil and power companies raising prices to extortionistic levels (while they make historical profits); heck even cell phones companies have pretty much followed the credit card companies lead (there are so many sneaky overage charges and hidden fees in my cell phone contract, I doubt even a lawyer could find them all).

Sure, you can change services, but as each company sees how much money there is too be made by the above practices, they jump on the band wagon too.  You can complain to the government (aka 65% companies 35% us), but they will just have a silent chuckle while they nod in agreement to playcate you.  Heck, we can't even get a life and death service (hospitals, health care, health insurance and medicines) taken care of because the huge greedy corporations have such a foothold in the lawmaking process now that they block most reform laws, and put more and more loopholes in existing ones.  So good luck with the internet stuff.

Like president Obama said in a recent interview, "the sad thing is, all of this is legal".  I think what he meant by that was, that over many years big business, using their vast influence in governement, has "changed" the laws to make and this type of "theft" technically legal.  And since you can pretty much run any business from any part of the world now, greedy corperate owners pledge aleigence to no country, let alone it's citizens, they are only loyal to their profits and the power that brings with it. . .

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