This i agree with. "I want to take part in Demigod Tournaments where people are more my standard of play", but the rest is just plain wrong "and I get rewarded equally to that of the Hardcore players." 

So like, I want all that guy gets from winning by training and doing his best but i don't want to actually work for it so if you would just give me the prize that would be cool? 


For all who's being cursed for being noobs, i feel with you. It happned to me and it still does. The worst part about this is that it just happens regardless of your own skill. they just want to blame it on others. Even if your on the other side of the map they say, hey why didn't you help me (slight exageration). DotAs community really is bad but i think it's like that everywhere tough.


100.000? I don't know what they do to get those number but maybe they count marketing fees and stuff like that? I don't know but no matter what reasons you give 8 is not enough to start with when it's realeased. There's an option in the game that's somthing like mirror mode off. So that you can't choose 2 of the same heroes. So when you play 5vs5 map you's have to turn mirror on. Don't you think that feels really... cheap? Or just really bad. Like a halfassed game.

Firstly it was started by one guy continued by two guys + a couple of tousands of players. You just can't make a great game out of eight demigods, a decent game would be the limit. And if it's a rule of the universe then i want to destroy that universe (or maybe just change the rule would seem less extreme).

Teh_Senkon, yes I strongly feel casual players should be praised, prized, and rewarded 100% equal to that of Hardcore gamers. Making it where there is no different for someone who players all day long, and someone who plays for an hour during their lunch break. Games which support a hardcore crowd and reward them for having little, or no life needs to come to an end as it is eating away at our standards of life and mentality. For further reading on this issue, please indulge yourself on one of my essays which carefully details my point of view.

Analysis Monster Hunter 

Here is an section quoted from my Essay I want to draw focus to:

 The very act of sitting down before a television, picking up a controller, slipping on the microphone, and tossing a few grenades while trash talking ones opposition is quickly becoming a national past time. Even if there is concern from certain governmental figures declaring that many games are “bad for the American youth” they are perhaps missing the point entirely. As the games are now designed to appeal to a certain mentality that is becoming vastly shared within urban regions, and now only grows outward in several directions from coast to coast. Each game has become an outlet, fueling on the flame that the society we live in has ignited with the inherit demand to not only consume, but to consume the flesh of your enemy – metaphorically and somewhat literally.

  But the enemy is not the outsider, no, it is your neighbor. The greatest threat to the American youth has been, and always has been themselves. This has been predetermined long before they were even born, and it is to the gain of several gaming companies who have successfully tapping in on that desire to be 'better' than someone else. This gives the youth a certain amount of self gratification, ensuring that they are the alpha, they are the pack leader, and it is they who is quicker, smarter, stronger than those they just blew away with a plasma grenade. In short, they are providing virtual banquets for an entire nation of urban influenced youths to socially cannibalize each other. 

  With this in mind we look at the success and failure of certain games, and also bring up even more questions of potential contradictions. Another Capcom title is Lost Planet, a very successful third-person shooter when we look at the game for what it is. Again, it manages to be solid, enjoyable, challenging, repayable, and easy to pick up – the aspects that make a game 'good' at its core. Yet, it doesn't quite compete with games like Halo, or other more highly marketable games like the Grand Theft series. In fact, there is little hope a game like Lost Planet can really even make a dent against such titles as that without some considerably populous analysis. Lost Planet succeeds greatly as a game, but not one that is marketable to a very voracious public.

  Games like Halo succeed for two real reasons, and neither of them have anything to do with the actual gameplay. First, there is no denying that Halo always has an insane marketing protocol. By the time they are done advertising the game, the date of its release is virtually ingrained into the very fibers of your being, even if you care little about the game itself. Secondly, it's an extremely social game. Friends persuade friends to play, to encourage and ensure they can compete. Even friends desire to best each other, because there is always that desire to be the dominant human that society has successfully installed within them. 

  Clearly not every youth is so fully infused with the desire so socially cannibalize, or maybe they are – but simply have very little outlets in which to express such a need to be better. There exists the population of youths which are in fact antisocial, or simply lack a quantity of friends. Since they were not nurtured on series such as Halo when they were young or had no real impulse to play it because of the lack of social interaction – these gamers can find themselves seeking out not so well known titles like Monster Hunter for example. Perhaps Monster Hunter is one of the better examples in fact, because of the system in which the game is engineered it can be seen a fine proxy when there is no one locally to 'best'.

Woah, this thread is evolution in action....

as an aside to what seems to be a debate on casual vs. hardcore vs. socially cannibalistic youth gaming -

 it looks like Demigods will have between 7 and 15 skills in Beta 2, according to Arisal's take on the IGN Blog screenshots released today.  I haven't seen them yet behind my big ol firewall, but this certainly speaks to the need for diversity discussed earlier, so if you can go look...

Edit: ok so I've seen the screenie...looks like there will be several ultimate techs that completely remap a given skill as well as two more skill lines for seven in all....I'm really excited to play Regulus at this point....

I am really excited to see reg again.  Did Arisal discuss this in a post and where?  I can't seem to find it.

I posted a reply in the Demigod ideas post: https://forums.demigodthegame.com/326614

Basically I was commenting in that post how I totally agree there should be more abilities per demigod like almost double what was in beta 1 and it looks like Regulus will now have 11 different skills which I was very excited to see in the ign blog screens.

Alright I completely agree with a lot of what is being said in this thread about addind depth to Demigod.  I think in terms of UI Jinx is totally right and the will be what we see in Beta 2 it has to be intuitive.  The most frustrating thing in a game is the lack of control of your character, period.  Just having an easy to manuever interface is like 50% of a game.  Second in terms of making casual gamers equal to regular gamers that sounds insane, of course if you play more you should be able to get better but that game shouldn't be based on time.  For instance, as a gamer I don't want another WoW where I have to play for 1 million billion hours to start the real game at level 70.  Please make the game based on SKILL, like CounterStrike with headshots, or Dota with last hits and gank timing.  One big thing not mentioned is the longetivity of this game.  Hopefully there users will be able to create content for Demigod with custom games or maps or something like that.  That would be a HUGE boon for this game.  Just look at past successes like WC3 or CounterStrike.  The best parts of those games aren't even the original games they are the added content by users.  As consumers I think we should demand better games with longetivity not just greedy game companies trying to sell us the next 60 dollar game.  I hope other people can petition for this longetivity that can eventually make Demigod a great game.

Dude your a moron super smash bros started out with 8 or 10 charcters. Over the years they have gained alot though. PLaying with those 8 charcters was still fun though. Maybe over the course of years if demigod does their may be expansions leading to more demigods. *In edition to downloadable content. Super smash bros melee was the 2cnd super smash bros so obiously their would be more characters. Super smash bros was fun than when their were 2d maps like 10 maps, 8 characters and a bunch of items.  I still think it is better than some games today including Dota and yes I have played dota and similar games like it. super smash bros didn't have alot of people but it had quality and replaybility. U would verse the same guys alot of times

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  Allow me to begin by stating that Football is a professional sport, and though I personally do not condone it, I will for this argument recognize that others appreciate it as a major league activity in the real world which requires very vigorous physical activity and dedication to ones who body and mind. We must understand that gaming is well and good, but we need to recognize that playing a game on the television or the computer is not a healthy activity, and equating it to a competitive sport is only further legitimizing a compulsion to remain seated and play it. Have you ever watched gaming tournaments on television? The youths I see there are very obese and out of shape, they focus intensely on a readily available game at the cost of their own health - and for what, a meager cash prize that will later seem like a wisp of smoke versus the immense health care bills they will have to pay when they begin to suffer from diabetes? 

  My problem is not the players themselves who constantly what to legitimize immobility in a culture that is steadily becoming more and more immobile (think Wall-E and floating chairs, equal to that of guided strollers for giant babies) -- it's the society itself that has shaped them and it needs to be changed. For now, I want people to understand my argument more clearly and what I mean about equal reward, and what I meant about tournaments. 

More Clarity 

   I wasn't speaking about offical Tournaments for cash prizes and nor did I feel the idea of the Ladder system, or at least a single Ladder system, is viable for a system which gives appreciation to the casual gamer. To be frank, I would strongly recommend not having a ladder at all in any fashion, where there is no number one player, and no single random matching software which potentially uses the one-size-fits-all policy. We know that Demigod will have a Tournament Mode, which goes over a duration of two to three months. It would be great pleasure to not just see one type of Tournament Mode which houses all player types.

  I suggest multiple segments of the online realm, much like the single player, which is seperated into Easy/Medium/Hard for example. I'd also recommend that the system not be based on ladders, wins, or losses. Then how would such a system have a checks and balances? Actually I've a few developing ideas, but it's something in this spectrum I'd like to have support fleshing out. I personally feel that recording a player's performance by a ladder system is not only out dated, overrated, and more importantly unhealthy -  but it also can lend itself to opening the doors to some really rude community goers who base their right to cruel to others off their ladder rank.

We can change the system, we just need more open minds to consider the posibilities and help make that fiction a reality.

There's way more than 100 items when you count in the favor point based items (permanent items you purchase with points earned in a game).

  All the contrary to one of your many, mounding assumptions, I do have very much a clue on what I propose; however, before I go spouting off another giant essay of ideas I'd like to assure people will read it.

    So far I stand by my comments, but I never suggested taking out the competitve element of the game. I merely suggested changing the system in which that element is introduced. I feel we can think of something other, and more creative than the Ladder system.

  So I continue to propose a way to further devlope the competitive nature of a game and express a desire to build a new system that may be better than the classic match making and ladder - and instead of wanting to put heads together to craft interesting ideas, you want to flame me? Please recall we're in the Stardock forums, not the Blizzard forums. Please get your attitude it check so we can progress this conversation in a constructive manner.

  Again, I do have many ideas on how to change the system, and I'd love to share them.  But I'd aprpeciate it if people would try to understand that I do not want to take away the competitive element or punish high performance players. I would like to lay down the idea framework for:

• A system which still retains the competitive element, but doesn't force it upon players.
• Does away with the single one-size-fits-all ladder and matchmaking system.
• Does away with player records that shows Win/Loss ratios publically. (This promotes negative behavior)
• Ultimately seperates the new players and the experienced players on ranked type games (freeplay options can exist for no restriction of who plays who). 
• Autobalancing currently exists in the system. (Automatch 2 v 5 based on skill) - So build on this more.
• Allows players of different skill levels to be equally rewarded for victories in tournaments of their tier. (Doesn't discriminate agianst players with lives)

 Now, I have some clear details on my ideas on how to accomplish this, and I honestly do not feel it folly to follow this line of logic. The very nature of the negative flak I am getting for such ideas only bolsters my reasoning, and makes me feel such is all the more a much needed change to a functional, but unhealthy system that promotes bad behavior amung fellow gamers.

Note: I'm more concerned on the behavior rather than the physcial health element. As a change in behavior effects everything else down the road, including the physcial.

Keep in mind that the small size of the DotA community, not to mention where how many did migrate over from Counterstrike, was a large factor into the contribution of negative behavior in the community. Now, I'm not aiming to insult players, but I never exactly linked a good player to having no life. I mean to give focus to people who may be playing at work, and work all day, and barely have time enough to even think about a game. I come from the gaming industry, and I know very much that many people work very long hours and don't play many games (aside from the designers).

It'd be nice to have a game they even hard working individuals feel they can have a great time playing and take part in very rewarding tournaments they don't have to break a leg to be a part of. Allow me to let you in on some of my ideas, thought I will not provide them in clear detail quite yet as to not be a hinderance to the topic.

Consider this, imagine a Multplayer has as six (maybe even five) tiers. All players begin at the bottom teir, all upward tiers are locked. Win or Lose, taking part in any game will allow a player to gain points. These points act like a form a virtual cash, which they can then use to unlock the tier ahead of them. Eventually, a player will unlock most of the tiers as their skill progresses. it will come to a point where unlocking the next tier, will lock the first tier. Preventing them from taking part in low end games with new players.

Players who will seek a great challange will go to the highest ranking tier and ramain there, if not in the slightly lower arenas below it. Based on where you are in the tiers you've unlocked, that'll reflect on your reward. Such as, fighting in a lower tier will mean you win less points. Losing of course, doesn't reduce your points.

Players may find they like a certain level of a tier and desire to remain there.

The problems of course are applying elements which can prevent the invetible skilled player from diving into tiers they do not belong in. Perhaps, allowing players to only have access to one tier at a time? That can be debated.

Note this is not my only idea, nor is it a clear illustration of one idea. But I'm tossing it out to see how people may react to it.

I disagree Dota has a very large community and it continues to grow from what i am seeing. Also it does seem that you're insulting those taking a game more competitively then others by branding them of having no lives. I believe that win/loss ratio being shown to the pubic doesn't bring out bad characters. Its rather the persons attitude themselves you can't blame a win/loss ratio being shown for a persons character.

On the subject of obesity gaming has nothing to do with the obese problem in America. People are obese cause they choose to be if people rather stay home and play games rather to go out and lose those pounds its there problem. You cannot blame games for peoples own choosing if they want to be obese and die from clogged arteries let them be. Cause you lessen competitive or get rid of e-sports isn't going to change the problem of people being obese. Its like TheBigOne said "That is the responsibility of the education system, the parents and friends."