[ShakeNBake]

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Perhaps you accept that there are balance issues. But it sucks if a game , which is based on multiplayer, is so imbalanced

 

Ah man. I recommend you to play vs a half-way good Minion EB. Then we can continue the discussion.

TO START. His base move speed definitly needs knocking down to 6.0
That way you can at least attempt to run away from his minions.

(At the moment, as rook, even if you were to take a +15% move speed item, you would still be at 6.2 and unable to escape him or his minions without a teleport - which he will probably stun, and if you fake cast, you'll be dead before you can cast it again).

Stacking armor seems to not work vs minion bite erebus.
Stacking hp             ^
Stacking hp regen    ^
Stacking life steal    ^
Stacking damage     ^

I seriously cannot think of a counter to this build. It can outlast all other demigods in the game - then chase them down.
Can anyone give me a viable counter to it?
Especially as a rook, but as any demigod at all would be a start.

Without the Horn of Battle rook can hold off EB fine if you protect your static towers well enough. Generally I find that if I have the tower's AoE splah to retreat to my own towers will be enough to fend EB off early in the game. Bear in mind boulder+slam I is 700 damage, which isn't half bad. If you drop that on a group of night walkers at 70% or so HP it'll kill them unless the guy's going with a pure minion build and skipping bite.

Basically I just try to stalemate until level 9 when I get hammer II, at which point I have the damage to burn them down quickly. Getting hammer II at level 8 and hammer III at level 9 can also work but honestly I just find the mana consumption too much to maintain without rank IV towers. The siege hat really does pretty respectable AoE damage to the little guys if you're lucky enough to have it target them (which it usually does since it seems to prefer DGs and EB tends to move inside of his swarm most of the time).

The main thing is that 1v1 early and mid game rook will struggle with the buggers no matter what unless you get some support. Generally I find that a single monk is enough to keep me in the game. I'll just hug a tower and build my own around it, burning slams only to save myself or stop a full-on minion rush on the tower.

Honestly if HoB never comes back I don't think the coven swarms will be as big of an issue for Rook. The battle seems fairly even to me, with Erebus having the advantage if you push forwards too early and Rook having the advantage if he can survive to level 7'ish without feeding and then becoming a bit of a blowout in the rook's favor if you make it to 11 without feeding.

The specific approach you're talking about is risky for the EB as well, as warping into the tower farm before minions swarm in to distract tower fire is going to subject EB to some crazy damage and it turns it into a race to see who wins. If he's burning his stun on the approach there's a good chance you can just use a healing potion in his face.

Well, I think erebus may be OP, BUT i will say that I lost using a pure minion build with a premade team vs a better premade team. I play in a pretty casual clan, so the premades I find myself in aren't really good. We do use teamspeak so we manage to communicate with each other though. 

Anyways, the enemy team had 3 names that i recognized from the forums, whereas my guys just get on to play the game every now and then. They were spit UB, snipe/mines reg, and a shield QoT of some sort. They would constantly try to snipe and spit on one target (preferably me since I wasn't HP stacking very much). Bishops gave me some regen to try and out-live their spits and snipes but it was really tough to stay near flags. They killed us with giants at warscore 8.

Im going to assume you were having problems in the pantheon eh [shakeNbake]?

Well it sucks going against a good minion erebus, especially if you are focused on towers early game and you dont have your hammer slam aoe, which lets be honest isnt a great aoe attack as it has to be wound up and if you get stunned doing that well you're screwed right there, though i'm going to hope you boulder rolled eb first ^^.

What makes things worse is your teammate is most likely a rook or regulus... and if he is new might not be going mine in which case he is absolutely worthless. Sorry just my own experience trying rook in pantheon.

I dont want to see him nerfed though, he was already nerfed and to be honest i find a spirit assassin oak to be bit better with the added damage % taken after penitence, although bite does reduce armor... maybe i take that back and just say oak would need as much rebalancing.

I do think a minion oak is the natural counter to a minion eb though. Eb doesnt have any aoe besides stun and mist and he probably isnt going mist with minion build where as oak has a good aoe attack that also adds benifits for his soldiers.

Rock, Paper, Scissors... unfortunately UB and EB are most played on darkside and Rook, Reg are most played on lightside in pantheon and that matchup is a nightmare, for me atleast. But maybe im just not pro

Just want to throw this out there....

Against a minion based erebus, he very rarely steps into a battle himself, and if he does he's generally far weaker than most other DG's due to his spending gold on minions and mana items (to keep said minions alive). Secondly, Minions in this game face a gigantic problem in that melee based minions just about stop attacking if you keep moving. In general, what my team does with a minion based erebus is to invest quite a bit in the static towers (especially damage), and if possible, catch the lightly armored Erebus and either knock him out of the fight by forcing him to mist, or kill him entirely. If he's staying out of the fight, then the minions alone with no bite are hardly giving off the kind of DPS a regular DG would be doing. And if the minions are on you.. stay moving. He'll either change targets or waste time chasing you.

The minions are great tower busters, but if you invest your gold properly, you can at least mitigate what a minion erebus is capable of. Also, if you know you're going against an Erebus, you're probably better off having something AoE happy on your team. Mine regulus or a fire Torchy are good picks. As for the rooks in this thread.. I have nothing I can suggest for you guys. Personally I think tower rook is a great early game choice, but even if you get 6 or 8 towers, after a certain point they just don't do enough damage, and by this point, Erebus's minions can probably mow through your towers like toothpicks. (So the strategy for you boys is rush rush rush, something you're not pulling off without a coordinated team).

the problem with moving, is that as rook even if you move, they still hit you.
i had no problems keeping moving as UB however, which may be one of the reasons we eventually won.

I noted from playing the Demo that poor Rook has really hard time with Erebus. I mean it's impossible to kill the bastard. This may not be true of other Demigods, or it may be true, but I play Rook mainly. One thing that got me thinking is that Hammer Slam should be rather effective vs him, because his DPS is just insane with ton of little minions about (and I'm hoping this would clear them). But I never go Hammer slam, so I have not tried it. My non-hammer-slam build is just so good against every other DG, especially other rooks, that I don't feel like using different build to face down just one Demigod our of 4. In the end I get a lead with kills on other demigods before I fight Erebus.

Well to me the idea of it is to kill his minions, if you manage to nail this slippery fellow all the more power to you lol

Ryan is a real @#^%% with erb isn't he...