Hawawaa

To me, sins proved that all 4x should be real time.

Any game design that doesn't have full real time isn't interesting to me anymore.

To each his own. I played Sins for a few hours and got bored (as I do with all RTS games). On the other hand, I love turn-based games.

I didn't like sins that much.  It was too slow.  I prefer proper RTS in the ilk of starcraft or turn-based civ-type games.  That said, I did appreciate the game design of sins even if it wasn't for me.

Looks absolutely terrible.

Also, there is already a Star Lords game, and you can download it.

http://moo3.quicksilver.com/game/starlords.html

It is the precursor to Master of Orion

Actually, you can add more depth to sins easily, forcing fast paced complex decision making in a real time environment that would create a far stronger desire to replay the game. The developers didn't add that depth because they wanted mass market appeal, but I'm sure another company will make a game similar to sins (paradox perhaps?) game design that will allow for loadsof complex strategy.

Turn based is just so slow, allowing for few to no errors to capitalize on.  Then again, I don't think you really understand sins of a solar empire game design...I don't do much fast clicking at all, its not designed to be played like starcraft...

I was only discussing sins.  I like to unwind from a day's work not wanting to have to click 80+ actions per minute to remain competitive, yet I also want to play games in realtime.

Sins is the only game designed with that marriage in mind.  I hope it has thousands of babies and sets a new standard for RTS.  I think this might occur around Sins 2.0, as long as the developers don't drop the ball on the project.