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pacov's League of Legends general discussion thread - strategies, etc

By on November 29, 2011 1:07:18 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

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I've locked/archived this thread/blog and have started a new discussion over here:  https://forums.demigodthegame.com/454943/

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Well, I started a thread  back in August (http://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike.  I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc.  Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.

Super fast background:  I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust.  Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me.  In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards. 

Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:

 New Player tips

  • Play the tutorial.
  • Consider picking up the starter bundle.  It's 530 RP (that's about $4).  You get 8 champs unlocked, a 4 win IP boost and a 10 win XP boost.  It's a pretty good deal (used it recently on an alt account).  You can find it in the game store under bundles.
  • Riot gives you 400 RP as soon as you hit level 5.  It's enough to buy some skins, a boost, or a cheap character. 
  • Learn to last hit!  Last hitting is simply landing the last hit on creeps.  If you last hit, you get gold for that kill.  The number of creeps you have killed is tracked in a value called CS.  You can see this number in the top right hand corner of the ui or by pressing tab.  Here's a really simple tutorial re: last hitting if you are brand new - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheiRB76x5g
  • Read some guides on any character you want to try out.  The recommended builds (what you see when you go to a shop) are not optimal.  The guides include item suggestions and skill orders.  These are very useful in learning decent ways to build characters
  • Use the rune combiner to get level 3 runes prior to level 20 if you like.  You will need 375 IP.  Buy any tier 1 rune that costs 15 IP.  You need to purchase 25 of these.  Click on your rune page.  In the bottom right hand corner there is a button called the Rune Combiner.  If you place 5 runes in there, you can get a random rune that is 1 tier higher (eg if you have 5 tier 1 runes, you will get 1 random tier 2 rune.  Anyway, the math works out such that you spend 375 IP ( buy 25 tier 1 15 IP runes) and you get 1 completely random tier 3 rune.  Some of the quintessences are 2k IP, so if you luck out and get one of those, you just won the lottery.  You can always keep the random tier 2 rune if you end up with something good and don't want to trade it out yet.
  • Consider setting aside IP for tier 3 runes (available at level 20 and above).  You can't purchase them with real money - only IP.  Keep that in mind.

Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends

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Here's a guide I made

pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo

k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts.  I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so).  We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not.  Caveat complete.

Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role.  You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not).  You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2).  In my case, I'm good at support and adc.  I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops.  Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important.  If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know...  Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it.  I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.

Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles.  Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby.  Say "adc pref."  Do this as soon as you hit the lobby.  Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it.  This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request.  If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref."  In my experience, you generally do not want to call support.  It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible.  If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you.  If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win.  You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.

Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo.  If you solo, you have to rely on yourself.  IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo.  Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good?  That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit.  The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3.  If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect.  When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles.  Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works.  Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles.  Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker.  For example, Bryff is a good mid.  If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered.  In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing.  Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game.  Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support.  If you want that, you can usually get it. 

How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do.  And this is really what I do on a regular basis.  I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at.  For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads.  So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw.  I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ).  Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI.  Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc.  Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out.  Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself.  So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots).  If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game.  Then, do your best.  Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role.  And keep in mind what you need to work on.  For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth.  That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid.  The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team.  So, best to be ready for it.  Put your time in and practice roles. 

One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked.  1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want.  Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT.  2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support.  It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc.  I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL.  People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.

 

Lol King profiles for ranked tracking

I'm not going to update this regularly, so just consider it a snapshot (I'll add a date when I update them).  Anyway, I enjoy seeing folks progress through ranked and keeping tabs on that sort of thing from time to time. 

Snapshot updated 05/28/2014

 Character guides

Mid Ziggs by cow - http://www.lolking.net/guides/7906
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June 19, 2013 1:28:29 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Reign Of Gaming Article Quote:

"Farming ‘til winning, split-pushing, and just abusing solo-queue team deficiencies net Tryndamere players wins, as well as people playing top with new champs or champs they think they’re good with but aren’t (Aatrox, Jayce)."

(sigh)

I feel like he's talking about my Jayce play.

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June 19, 2013 4:06:42 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

So.. I think I finally have found the root cause of those loading game crashes I was experiencing.  Logitech software + riot patch.  One of the things I did amongst 5000 other things to try to solve the problem was removing the logitech drivers.  I did this at the same time that I changed my bios so that my cpu wouldn't be oc'd on demand.  I was thinking that fixed it, but it appears that deleting it sorted my problems.  I'm going to give LSI/LoL replay a go again.  Really hope I can get that sorted as I really like both programs.  More details on the problem here:

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1gn3vt/fix_crash_after_champion_select/

 

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June 19, 2013 8:03:04 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Just watched a match with NintendudeX as j4 jungle.  Excellent jukes.  Give it a look.

http://www.twitch.tv/1pacov1/c/2449791

 

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June 19, 2013 9:20:34 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Anyone have any good janna tips they could provide?  I'm looking for laning advice, items to rush, etc.  Any details here and there would be great.  Build this, start this spell, etc.  Think situational (I always take shield at 1, but I'd take X if X).  Random tips appreciated.

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June 19, 2013 11:45:07 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Watch as any little hope cow had of reaching plat VANISH as he drops 4 straight games! Gets reported for no reason! Gets a warning for no reason! And is tired of all the retarded people that play league! 

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June 20, 2013 12:08:08 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

There is really nothing to do but take a break when that happens. You can still get plat - it'll just take a bit more work now.

@Tonight's game 
LOL I did more damage than our mid and top as support Zyra. That Tryn was soooo bad. 

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June 20, 2013 12:21:22 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting OMG_ZEX,

Watch as any little hope cow had of reaching plat VANISH as he drops 4 straight games! Gets reported for no reason! Gets a warning for no reason! And is tired of all the retarded people that play league! 

Might be time to start duoing if you are having problems.  Honestly, you should ride out the jungle nunu king shit stuff as much as possible before the nerf.  It's mostly free elo in solo queue as far as I'm concerned.  I'll play with you sometime if you like or maybe hedgie would duo up if you like.  With ranked, I alternate between solo and duo based on how things are going.  Either take a break if you are getting frustrated as fug or try duoing if you have someone that you feel can help carry the team as well. 

Quoting OMG_Shiro,
@Tonight's game
LOL I did more damage than our mid and top as support Zyra. That Tryn was soooo bad.

yeah - guy could not figure out how to fight singed.  Was pretty awful.  Happens.

I think I'm going to drop my mouse pad.  Prior to installing LSI tonight I was having some "lag" issues. I think dust/cat hair have a major impact on my razer mouse and my steelseries mouse pad.  Its so infuriating to have a champ that needs to have incredibly quick and precise movements have the mouse act like a POS when you need to do them.  Boom.  You are dead.  Because I couldn't mouse on top of this or that. Anyway, I think I might quickly order a new mouse pad tonight.  If that blows, I'm throwing my mouse into the street and getting a new one. 

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June 20, 2013 12:24:12 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Also - seriously - check this guys music out.  Give it a few minutes-  really good stuff - https://soundcloud.com/Aplfisher

 He streams here from time to time - http://www.twitch.tv/aplfisher/b/414418277

 

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June 20, 2013 1:04:41 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

i got the omega sized Razer mousepad recently (had similar mouse troubles due to a spill \. It's really good - really love it.

http://www.amazon.com/Razer-Goliathus-Extended-Mouse-Pad-Control/dp/B004JMZXMK/ref=sr_1_sc_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1371704588&sr=1-1-spell&keywords=razer+goliothus

 

Let me know how ROCCAT is - i like the look of their stuff but i've never used it before or seen anyone, might be a good brand for the future (eg, 2 years from now )

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June 20, 2013 2:42:24 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Well got demoted to gold II after losing 7 straight! but hey guys I think I needed it. After winning my first game in gold II I got 18 lp instead of my usual 5-6 so maybe once I get promoted ill get decent lp again instead of the rot I was getting before. 

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June 20, 2013 3:06:33 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Pacov NO!!!

That mousepad looks great, and feels great... until you move your mouse over one of the silver reflective parts, then the cursor stops...

I actually use a Roccat mouse and found it lame that using one of their mice on a mouse pad they manufactured would have an issue.  I tried a few other mice and had the same problem...

But.  All the reviews were five star so its really weird I would be the only one with a problem?  Maybe I just got one that was manufactured with a weird batch of laser reflective paint, I don't know.  If you don't have the issue I had, you're going to love it.

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June 20, 2013 11:03:21 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting OMG_ZEX,
After winning my first game in gold II I got 18 lp instead of my usual 5-6 so maybe once I get promoted ill get decent lp again instead of the rot I was getting before.

back when I was in silver 1 looking to promote to gold V, I was sooo frustrated when I was getting such low lp.  It actually felt really good when I lost a few just because I'd start getting more lp for a win.  Anyway, I'm in the same, I'm sure when I get to gold 1.  smeh. 

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June 20, 2013 11:12:38 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

PBE is getting some changes.  Looks like they are going to address proxing issues.  Here's one excerpt from reddit

 

Global*DeathStreakPenalty - Now 0.2 (down from 0.3)

This refers to the rate of bounty loss for champions on dying sprees. Right now the first death reduces bounty by 13% and 30% for every death afterwards. This will become 13% for first death and 20% for subsequent deaths. Champions on dying sprees will now award more gold for each kill.

Global*MinDeathStreakPenalty - Now 0.1666667 (up from 0.05)

The second one refers to the minimum bounty given. It is currently at 5% of normal bounty i.e. 15 gold. This will increase to 50 gold.

These changes to death bounty are presumably a nerf to proxy singed, to make it more worthwhile to chase him down and kill him while he is proxying your creeps. His death bounty will reduce more slowly as you kill him a few times initially, and his final bounty will be slightly higher.

A singed that is killed 10 times (without accounting for first blood) would have given up 1135 gold during his 10 deaths. With the new changes he will have given up 1563 gold during his 10 deaths.

After 10 deaths, current singed will give 15 gold per death but with the changes will give 50 gold per death.

These changes will also have the effect of causing players who have died a lot to give up more bounty, increasing the effect of snowballing which may or may not be intended by Riot.

DeathBeforeNow
1 300.0 300.0
2 261.0 261.0
3 182.7 208.8
4 127.9 167.0
5 89.5 133.6
6 62.7 106.9
7 43.9 85.5
8 30.7 68.4
9 21.5 54.7
10 15.0 50.0
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June 20, 2013 12:10:57 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

also on pbe - there are no longer any load bars at the load screen - just a number that shows % loaded.  Also you can see the icon you have for champ (you know that crap you can pick - gold season 2 trophy, etc).  I could care less about that and don't really see any reason to add that to load.

there appear to be new animations for the health/mana pool bars.

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June 21, 2013 12:14:57 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Haven't been able to play much since I've been sick.  And I'll be travelling this weekend and early next week, but I might try and play at the hotel again.  We will see.

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June 21, 2013 12:22:11 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

hope you are feeling better!  Been a few days.  Hope to catch ya again soon.  Night!

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June 21, 2013 5:54:56 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Got my first penta-kill in ranked.  Troll pick ADC Kayle ftw!  It's always nice when you get moved to three different positions as the rest of the team picks.  She's the only character that can play every position well, and the enemy team was probably really confused when we didn't queue dodge.

 

Quitting while I'm ahead, 2-0 for the night with two excellent scores, and I got through my promotion last night.  Silver 4, again.

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June 21, 2013 10:45:08 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

grats on the penta. 

Quoting psychoak,
Silver 4, again.

Still - tis progress.  Hope you can keep moving on up.

Thunder was in his promo series going for Gold V.  Not sure if he finished the series at this time

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June 21, 2013 4:32:21 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

No, I started in Silver 4.

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June 21, 2013 4:51:14 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

and dropped to 5 - PROGRESS!

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June 21, 2013 6:13:20 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

OK - so got my new mouse pad (roccat alumic).  It's 2 sided.  Anyway, I try side one.  Mouse does move at all on the screen (no detection).  I try other side, mouse moves a little bit but still crap.  I decide to download the latest razer imperator drivers and install em.  Then I run the configurator, I move the mouse on a diff surface to highlight "surface calibration - calibrate now."  Then I pick up the mouse and put it back on the new mouse pad and click the button.  Boom - calibrates and mouse is working perfectly now on the new mouse pad.  So - pissed off to annoyed to ok in about 3-4 minutes.  Anywho - tis working atm without issue.

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June 21, 2013 6:56:54 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Actually, dropped to Bronze 1, twice.  This is the fifth time getting back into Silver 4, I think.  I might have missed one or two.

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June 24, 2013 12:44:49 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Back to gold I WOOO! Won all my gragas games today! 

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