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Random Maps

By on November 9, 2011 12:52:57 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

One of the big but largely under-appreciated features of Elemental: Fallen Enchantress is the new random generation.

In Elemental: War of Magic, the maps were random but the continents were not.  This meant, after awhile, players knew “the lay out of the land”.

Now, having a random world generator is a non-trivial thing as those who have written them can tell you. Especially if you want a map that is “fun” (i.e. no one cut off, reasonably fair, and always interesting).

So here are 3 random starting locations to give you a taste of how different things are from game to game.

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Now all this is only interesting if the worlds themselves are interesting. And this is a tough thing because interesting is in the eye of the beholder.

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On tiny maps, we made the continents kind of square-ish so we could fit as much “stuff” on the map as we could. But as you get larger, the interesting shaped continents really come into play.  You will never see that world I just posted again because it was randomly generated.

At tradeshows I’ve talked to my friends at Firaxis (Civilization series) about the map generation “challenge” and it is one of the most programming intensive pieces of strategy game writing.

The philosophy of random map generation is different from game to game. Are we looking for “realistic” or “fun” or somewhere in-between?  For Fallen Enchantress, we focused on continents that are interesting and otherworldly that present a lot of opportunity for choke points and exploration.

Here’s another one you’ll never see again:

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For those of you not familiar with Elemental, I’m using a cheat key to hide the fog of war (and yea, I’m gonna call it that because I’m lazy).  So it wouldn’t look quite like this in an actual game as you wouldn’t get to see all this at once.

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November 9, 2011 10:23:11 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Lookin' awesome and love the random maps. Both huge wins.

November 9, 2011 10:32:00 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Thanksgiving can't come soon enough.  I took Friday off so that's 4 days of FE Beta if you release Wednesday evening. 

November 9, 2011 11:56:14 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting scifi1950,
Thanksgiving can't come soon enough.  I took Friday off so that's 4 days of FE Beta if you release Wednesday evening. 

I said around Thanksgiving. Not before, my friend.  In fact, I'm almost positive it'll be AFTER Thanksgiving since we have a 4 day weekend and no one wants to be managing the beta.

November 10, 2011 12:28:33 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Fortunately we will all have ridiculous quantities of fatty foods to stave our hunger for FE. 

November 10, 2011 3:37:35 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Grizzyloins,
Pic #4, bottom-middle, is this a winged/flyin creature?

 

To me it seems like a winged creature but its legs are on the ground. Wings doesn't mean flying necessarily.

November 10, 2011 4:11:28 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

We had better get boats before flying!  

November 10, 2011 5:03:06 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Didn't you hire this guy/girl to write flavour texts?

 

It allready seems like it's paying off because I'm loving the writing on the first few pictures describing the statues and the wooden boxes.

November 10, 2011 9:38:51 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Fortunately we will all have ridiculous quantities of fatty foods to stave our hunger for FE.

 

My girlfriend planned food reserves too, but it was because Skyrim is coming this week. Apparently I'll need to remind her to feed herself else she will pass the day without eating.

November 10, 2011 9:54:27 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting seanw3,
We had better get boats before flying!  

 

Sorry dude, I think we´ll get nice air long before nice boats. Simply because its a lot easier.

 

Good job SD!! The only little thing is the square shoreline, but you´ll handle it easily.

BTW, are these pics on debug mode?

November 10, 2011 10:08:50 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Frogboy,
Quoting scifi1950, reply 27Thanksgiving can't come soon enough. I took Friday off so that's 4 days of FE Beta if you release Wednesday evening.

I said around Thanksgiving. Not before, my friend. In fact, I'm almost positive it'll be AFTER Thanksgiving since we have a 4 day weekend and no one wants to be managing the beta.

Yes, I realize it was just wishful thinking on my part.  Seeing all these great posts just has us all a tad eager.  The FE team needs to enjoy the Holiday and recharge, because when we do get our hands on the Beta the fun's really gonna begin!

 

November 10, 2011 10:10:17 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Hm, i love random maps.

Thank you for including this feature!

November 10, 2011 10:58:43 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

I adore random maps generation when it's well done. Thank you a lot for this feature. And I agree it is a very challenging task. I play again and again random maps on some games, and never play them on others, simply because an unbalanced random map is a very, very, very bad thing imo: after 6 hours of playing you find out that your opponent had the luck to get that special resource/tile/hut/temple/mine close to its capital that gave him so much advantage that he is waaay far ahead of you in terms of armies/tech/money/cities that you have no hope to win.

And yes, the last screenshot looks awesome!

November 10, 2011 11:33:11 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Frogboy,
I said around Thanksgiving. Not before, my friend. In fact, I'm almost positive it'll be AFTER Thanksgiving since we have a 4 day weekend and no one wants to be managing the beta.

 

Dratt, I'm gonna have to reschedule my kemo

 

 

I wonder what's up with the green/black dragon banner, pic 3 has like 3 of them spread out (looks like one might be the leader of those 1 calv/2melee/1ranged? groups/stacks & pic 4 has another ------ perhaps minor factions?

 

 

November 10, 2011 11:41:09 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

A bit sad to see the same boring landscapes as in WoM. Either completely flat or a mountain. Is it really that hard to create hills?

November 10, 2011 11:46:38 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Magog_AoW,
A bit sad to see the same boring landscapes as in WoM. Either completely flat or a mountain. Is it really that hard to create hills?

 

Lord Relias in pic 5 is standing on the edge of a hill

 

hills, flatland (grassland, desert, wasteland), mountains/volcanoes, water/rivers, woods - are all here anyway, now we need waterfalls, more 'meaningful' cliffs/beaches, swamps, & caves

November 10, 2011 12:43:36 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Ahara,
Didn't you hire this guy/girl to write flavour texts?
It allready seems like it's paying off because I'm loving the writing on the first few pictures describing the statues and the wooden boxes.

I agree! I hope the scrollbar on the wooden boxes text will be removed though.

November 10, 2011 1:03:22 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

"I agree! I hope the scrollbar on the wooden boxes text will be removed though."

 

I was thinkin the same thing on Relias's action options scrollbar

November 10, 2011 1:25:51 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Grizzyloins,

Quoting Frogboy, reply 28I said around Thanksgiving. Not before, my friend. In fact, I'm almost positive it'll be AFTER Thanksgiving since we have a 4 day weekend and no one wants to be managing the beta.

 

Dratt, I'm gonna have to reschedule my kemo

 

 

I wonder what's up with the green/black dragon banner, pic 3 has like 3 of them spread out (looks like one might be the leader of those 1 calv/2melee/1ranged? groups/stacks & pic 4 has another ------ perhaps minor factions?

 

 

Kemo? I am sorry to hear that.

I hope everything is/will be ok.

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Oooh...minor factions would be great.

November 10, 2011 1:29:09 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Ahara,
Didn't you hire this guy/girl to write flavour texts?

 

It allready seems like it's paying off because I'm loving the writing on the first few pictures describing the statues and the wooden boxes.

I believe David Stern is a man. Could be wrong though.

 

Loving the flavour text as well. Very well done.

 

November 10, 2011 1:32:00 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Beautiful pictures! Such an improvement over WoM!

 

One thing that did caught my attention was... not a single beach in sight. Does that mean we are losing the useless ships? (useless, and which refuse to be disbanded nor move after some auto-exploration...)

 

Either way, this looks better by the day! Surely by now we will only get a rash from playing!

November 10, 2011 1:34:22 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Thormodr,
Kemo? I am sorry to hear that.

I hope everything is/will be ok.

Thormodr - Didn't you schedule your Chemo treatments?  Brad told us that FE would give us cancer.  I imagine the Beta will darn near kill us outright.    

November 10, 2011 1:36:08 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

"Kemo? I am sorry to hear that.

I hope everything is/will be ok."

 

It's looking like cancer for sure, but the game might surprise us & be good

November 10, 2011 1:46:45 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting larienna,
My girlfriend planned food reserves too, but it was because Skyrim is coming this week. Apparently I'll need to remind her to feed herself else she will pass the day without eating.

 

Never let her go. You are truly a lucky dude.

November 10, 2011 1:59:41 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Very little have a had a desire to post a reply on something here. The info given has been great, but this is....superb. I know exactly what it takes to do this sort of thing, but I also know how much more play time it creates. Excellent work and thanks so much!

November 10, 2011 4:03:04 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting scifi1950,

Quoting Thormodr, reply 43Kemo? I am sorry to hear that.

I hope everything is/will be ok.

Thormodr - Didn't you schedule your Chemo treatments?  Brad told us that FE would give us cancer.  I imagine the Beta will darn near kill us outright.    

 

Lol. I'm a moron and definitely not a morning person.

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