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Since when did you realize that the US health care system sucks?

By on March 13, 2010 8:01:41 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

#1 - Since Michael Moore's movie "Sicko".

#2 - Since the Obama campaign.

#3 - Since I got sick and got ripped of by my insurer.

#4 - Since I was denied due to a preexisting condition.

#5 - WE ARE #1 !!! USA! USA! USA!

#6 - Something else gave me a hint.

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March 13, 2010 9:06:16 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

#1 is a joke, #2 is probably a bigger joke, but the competition is hot.

 

#3 is approaching serious subject material.  It's a product of excluding insurance companies from the anti-trust laws, removing our constitutional rights to buy and sell the products we want.  Both the insurance companies and the consumers have been given the shaft by state insurance boards that make assinine requirements, limiting the types of products that can be sold, and then banning you from shopping else where when you disagree with those requirements.

 

This is directly attributable to the failure of the SCOTUS to do it's job and rule the restrictions unconstitutional, Congress for writing such exemptions in violation of the Constitution to begin with, and state legislators for setting up the insurance boards to mandate them.

 

I'm going to guess you then think it's a good idea to then give these people, that royally fucked everything up to begin with, total control.  You're also supposed to read contracts before you sign them too, but little details like their own responsibilities can't possibly apply when a person gets sick...

 

#4 is common sense.  How can you get insurance for a pre-existing condition?  If you want to force coverage, and it's not insurance at that point, then you have to mandate the purchase of said coverage.  If you don't, most of the country will be waiting to get sick before we buy our "health insurance" to make someone else pay for our treatment.  You might like the idea of surrending your liberty for safety, I don't.

 

#5 is true.  No other country on the planet can boast such an amazingly long lifespan with such an absurdly unhealthy lifestyle.  You'd all be 20-30 years behind us if we ever stopped being a bunch of fat, sedintary substance abusers.

 

#6  Something did indeed give me the hint.  First, kill all the lawyers, starting with the lawyers that have become politicians.  Then, kill all the judges that used to be lawyers.

 

Pass tort reform, repeal all the nonsense regulations, gut social security and medicare for the younger generations, I'll gladly take the ax myself and pay into it without receiving, repeal the income tax and pass a constitutional amendment for the fair tax, unamended, and presto.  No more budgeting problems, no more balooning debt, and you can save for your own bleeding retirement without paying taxes on it, without having to make nonsense decisions.  The economy will take off, production will come back, etcetera etcetera.

 

If we really want to be a nanny state, after that pass a simple regulation.  All offered catastrophic coverage policies must be sold to any who meet the health criteria.  All catastrophic coverage policies must have both a buy in and cash out option based on age, with the same standardized value for each based on payment made.  All catastrophic coverage policies become locked in upon reaching the requirements for that coverage to kick in, can never be canceled by the insurer for any reason other than failure to pay, and cannot require payment for the duration of the illness if disability comes with it.

 

No more get sick, lose your job, then your insurance.  No more waiting till you're 55 and getting a free pass on all those years of paying into the system.  No more having to pay an arm and a leg when you're 55 because everyone else hasn't been participating.  No more paying an insurance company a hundred bucks to pay your doctor 60 for the routine checkup.  Wins all around, with zero beaurocratic nightmares.

 

They could fix the system with a paragraph, and instead write thousand plus page bills.  It's why my perfect world starts off with killing the lawyers.

March 13, 2010 9:07:14 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

I think I first got that idea in my head sometime around when I figured out that the US and Canada weren't the same thing. In other words, forever ago.

March 13, 2010 9:09:30 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

i could say its not my problem but your not the only country with health issues in the world.

March 14, 2010 12:47:35 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

#6 the first time I saw one of these setups!  People shouldn't have to beg to be able to save their kids' lives.

US healthcare system

March 14, 2010 8:04:47 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

This is so sad.

I can't imagine how hard it must be to tell your e.g. 12 year old girl that she will have to die because you don't have enough money...

 

 

March 14, 2010 11:25:40 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Yeah, and putting the federal government in charge will somehow make it better.  LOL.

March 14, 2010 12:05:51 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Quoting Island Dog,
Yeah, and putting the federal government in charge will somehow make it better.  LOL.

If the US system sucks, who is doing it right?

Are you suggesting that the gubmint that gave us No Child Gets An Education, Medicare (bankrupt), Medicaid (bankrupt), Social Security ( 57 trillion unfunded liabilities way way past bankrupt), DHs, TSA, Homeleand Security, CRA of 1977 (caused that lil banking hiccup over the last few years), and on and on is incapabe of micromanaging my life?

March 14, 2010 12:14:13 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Ignore Island Dog. He's just an arse who revels in the suffering of those that are unworthy in his eyes.

March 14, 2010 12:18:44 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Quoting Aroddo,
Ignore Island Dog. He's just an arse who revels in the suffering of those that are unworthy in his eyes.

I tried quoting you for the first line.

March 15, 2010 8:08:20 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Ignore Island Dog. He's just an arse who revels in the suffering of those that are unworthy in his eyes.

Oh goodness, what nonsense.  As usual, it's all sob stories with people who want government healthcare.  Nevermind the government is completely incompetent, and can't run hardly anything right, and the fact that the U.S. is beyond bankrupt is irrelevant to them.

The system here is not perfect by any means, but to say it sucks is pure BS.  Look beyond wanting your "free" healthcare.

March 15, 2010 9:05:56 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

In canada we pay to get free healthcare.

 

It's in no way perfect but I did get operated 6 times in my life and no I am not ruined and no I did not have to wait years. Only a few months because my case was not urgent. So yes gouverment healthcare does work. But there are always prices to pay. To go through the emergency room sometimes you have to wait 24 hours... but you do get treated and it does not cost you anything. ONly your taxes pay for it.

 

I would not want to live in the US I would of be ruined and I would not be able to get inssurance anymore. That is sad...

March 15, 2010 10:24:56 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Since when did you realize that the US health care system sucks?
When I started paying $19,200 a year for a health insurance plan that was inferior to the plan that I had the previous year that *only* cost $14,400 a year.

In canada we pay to get free healthcare.
Doesn't that make it *not* free?

I think the term you're looking for is that in Canada you pay for Universal Healthcare.

If the US system sucks, who is doing it right?
Right is an absolute term and in reality no one does it perfectly, however every other industrialized country in the world and even many less developed countries have a better system than that of the US.

The system here is not perfect by any means, but to say it sucks is pure BS.
Look beyond your rabid right wingnut Ayn Rand sycophant politics of selfishness and greed for a change.

March 15, 2010 10:39:58 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

6 - Other - When the democrats passed legislation imposing HMOs.  Before then, it was between you and your doctor.  Then they inserted a private organization between you and your doctor.  Then they said it was broken - by whom?  By the system they created?  So now they want to put a clown, who pays $600 for a hammer between  you and your doctor.  See the direction?

Going from bad to worse because of what Washington is doing, not in spite of it.  Perhaps the best thing to do would be to rescind their previous laws and see how things shake out.  That is the best reform I can think of.

insanity is doing the same thing that failed repeatedly expecting different results each time you attempt it.

March 15, 2010 10:41:54 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting Mumblefratz,
Look beyond your rabid right wingnut Ayn Rand sycophant politics of selfishness and greed for a change.

Still cant form a coherant thought without resorting to insults and name calling.  You really are pathetic.

March 15, 2010 10:46:25 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Quoting Dr Guy,



Quoting Mumblefratz,
reply 12
Look beyond your rabid right wingnut Ayn Rand sycophant politics of selfishness and greed for a change.


Still cant form a coherant thought without resorting to insults and name calling.  You really are pathetic.

This is why I ignore everything written by this person. He stopped influencing the moment he resorted to these tactics.

March 15, 2010 10:53:16 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Still cant form a coherant thought without resorting to insults and name calling. You really are pathetic
Says yet another selfish, greedy, rabid right wingnut Ayn Rand sycophant.

March 15, 2010 11:41:19 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Still can't form a coherent thought without resorting to insults and name calling. You really are pathetic.
What's really telling about this is that you're effectively saying that calling someone what they are is in some way an insult.

That's very interesting because what that says is that you are ashamed of what you are. You could call me a liberal and add any adjective you care to and to me that's not an insult, it's a compliment. I'm proud of being a liberal and for the policies that being liberal stand for.

Calling someone stupid is an insult and that's what you do constantly. Calling someone that's obviously to the right of Ann Coulter a "rabid right wingnut" is not an insult, it's merely the truth.

And how can someone that has repeatedly stated that the poor are only poor because they are either lazy, stupid or preferably both and therefore deserve the state that they're in, deny that they've swallowed Ayn Rand's so called "philosophy" of objectivism, hook, line and sinker?

I'm sorry that you are so ashamed of what you are that you consider it insulting for someone else to simply point it out. It must be sad to have to live your life in the closet. You should be proud of being a rabid right wingnut Ayn Rand sycophant, because that's in fact what you are.

March 15, 2010 12:12:27 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

This is why I ignore everything written by this person. He stopped influencing the moment he resorted to these tactics.

I agree that namecalling doesn't help, but it's hardly like that behavior is exclusive to folks 'on the left.' One of my greatest frustrations with my party is that our national leadership has completely failed to find a way to turn the bilious vitriol of the post-Gingrich GOP to our advantage. Instead of calling out the bullies for both rudeness and an increasing estrangement from facts, more and more of my fellow Democrats seem to be joining 'em down in the rhetorical gutters because they can't figure out how to beat 'em civilized-style.

So, yes, I'm bored with Mumble's need to call names so frequently. But I'm far, far more bored with that sad old "gummint cain't do nothin' right" crap. Come out of the anarchist closet or get over that tired trope. Unless you seriously want to make another attempt at living in anarcho-syndicalist groups, government is necessary and can be done well. Constantly proclaiming universal incompetence in government is a perverse attempt at a self-fulfilling prophecy. We certainly don't pay many public servants as well as people doing similar work in the private sector. Pile unending insults on top of that economic status factor, and morale must take a hit, which can't be good for efficiency.

@ the OP: Health care in the US is too large and complicated for bumper-sticker praise or insults to be accurate; the total system produces 'miracles' and also ruins lives, ending some early in what amounts to manslaughter by paperwork. I first began learning about our systemic problems when my mother took her master's in oncology nursing in the '80s and began teaching me about things like the freebies that pharma firms used to shower medical folks with. She began her nursing career in the early '60s, when it was generally understood as a service calling. By the '80s, the 'business model' had penetrated even the bureaucratic bowels of the VA and Mom told me that HMOs were going to be captured by the larger insurance industry and would not do a thing to restrain cost growth. She voted for Reagan twice and died about three years ago a strong supporter of creating a national health service.

March 15, 2010 12:21:19 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Doesnt matter the freemarket rethoric, silly american patriotism, and "liberal left wacko" namecalling, the health of people should not be another asset subject to the laws of market supply and demand.  Why stop there, let's privatize education, police force, defense, everything.  That's why health care systems in Canada, Europe and other countries are much better than the profit-driven one from the good ole U S of A.

March 15, 2010 12:22:47 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Please do not use the off-topic forums (which go to our game sites) to post inflammatory political topics.

If you want to debate politics, go to another site (JoeUser.com or DailyKos or whatever is your thing).

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