Frogboy

This is fantastic.

You win at computers sir.

This is great - can't wait to see it live. 

nice

I've told people that we're a premade. Some stay. The majority don't. Sorry premades, time to rage quit and flame the companies, right?

In all seriousness though, Dalzk is probably right. Which is unfortunate because we have no team automatcher yet and Frogboy has said the game was made for premades and it was thought it would be easier to get a premade together but it has not been. I don't know. Sure its nice seeing player information, but this has side effects. Such as forcing premades out of games unless the game is pre arranged or labelled premade.

I don't know. I'm mixed on this one. Pick up group stomping gets old, but not being able to play the game often is meh. Could inadvertantly lower player population because the demographic the game was designed for has to go out of their way to get a single game going.

Ready to Play needs a group matchmaker or something.

That's a total fabrication. Premades want to play other decent players more than anything.Its just too damn hard getting 2 groups together manually through RL and timezones.

And no, premades will not be fine. I see no evidence that points to premade games not decreasing in amount of games played.

Don't assume that you speak for all premades or for everyone who has had experiences with premades.  Also, I guess you didn't read Frogboy's post above.  He pushed for the premade data because of apparent premade abuses and mismatches with newer players. 

And it is too soon for any of us to know what is going to happen since the new stats have not been patched in yet.  So, there is no "evidence" to support your statement about premades faring poorly.

^A much more thoughtful (and accurate) take on the issue.

I'm at a complete loss of words here. This makes no sense what so ever. There's good premades, and then bad premades? What?

There are, without a doubt, premades that exist with the sole interest of crushing people. Mostly pugs.

Then, there are premades who play together just to play together, and are more about 'let's have fun' than 'we must win'. 

That's what I'm referring to. I'm not saying that a premade vs pug is any less unfair because it just wants to have fun, but I think pugs that play against that premade tend to have more fun.

Or, said better, this:

Anyway, I think this is going to be a great feature, even for you premades. 

 

Lemme break it down:  Less random players getting ass handed to them by predatory, win % obsessed premades = more people enjoying game = larger number of people playing game = more people getting their own premade teams together = more competition for y'all = awesome!

In other words, the predators are making all premades look bad (thus 'bad').

I play 80% premade games, and my name is already to the point where it's harder for me to get games because people know I'm a competent player who frequently premakes, though I do often play PM v PM or pug against PM.

If the lobby didn't crash 50% of the time after I kicked, I'd be much more willing to kick new players who join (and I do, on request). But, if it takes 5 minutes to get a lobby, and then a new player joins, and then it crashes... :-/

I'm totally okay with balanced, fun games (my record could use some losses xP ) but I still want to get a game together... eventually...

Methinks the premade community would be much better off if Frogboy was in a premade and actually got to see the amount of crap we put up with.  I like to get in PUG games when I can and host PUG ONLY matches and I inevitably get some knuckle head that jumps in the game, calls it a premade (even though the title is PUG ONLY) and leaves.  This causes his teammate to leave, thinking he's been tricked by an evil premade.  And we sit there with an empty lobby waiting for the next jerk to wander in and call my PUG only game a premade.  At least the overlay should put an end to that rot, but I'm pretty sure that wasn't the intent. 

This private player note feature is so f.ucking good. 

Every game should have this. Really!

Shiro - It's a simple point.  Brad indicated that these new features are coming about because "[he] just got stomped by one too many premades so my contribution is being a whiney manchild."  Of course we can extrapolate that his decision is based on community feedback (I'm sure it is).  However, if he was on a premade team, he'd probably see the other side of things as well.  You can disagree with that if you want unless I use my mind control power on you.