MarkyX

comparing these 2 spells is pointless

one has AoE with massive damage, the other is a DoT for a single target.

although i do agree that the casting time on Hammer Slam needs to be reduced, spit doesnt really need a change, their is Symbol of Purity for that.

I have played my fair share of rook. I LOVE the mechanic of hammer slam and boulder roll. They are the only abilities in this game (as far as I have encountered) that actually require skill to use. Im talking micro. Of course other abilities require skill in timing, strategic conservation of mana, etc.

EDIT: So yeah. That's a really noob thing to say. Other abilities require skill to use. I am just trying to say that hammer slam is unique in that it requires its own brand of placement.

The real problem is that hammer slam will never hit an opponent until you have boulder roll (or a VERY well-coordinated team) at level five. Even then, your slam is probably only doing 500 damage. And that is in the rare occasion that you manage to aim correctly AND your opponent just so happens to run the wrong way. That's zero damage as far as I am concerned.

If you want to buff hammer slam, either slightly increase the stun length of boulder roll or increase the damage of slam. Or both. Hell, lower the AOE of slam to compensate if you want. I mean.. it's literally his only nuke.

As far as UB goes... meh. The only thing that bothers me is that TB's fireball range is only one UB step away from a spit. I do think the range of spit is a weeee bit excessive.

i find it really stupid that people complain when a spell requires knowledge, timing and skill to use.

you can actually counter spit several ways, refer to here:

https://forums.demigodthegame.com/352143

As I play Boulder Roll/Hamerslam Rook exclusively, it is a viable strategy, especially after level 10. You just have to practice and be willing to lose a *lot*. Also, you need to reorient your camera quite a bit to get a good angle. The problem is that the timing varies based on sim speeds. There is no exact time to hit the slam, as it will vary from game to game. Heck, even giving me 1/10th of a second difference between the time stunned and the time to cast hammer slam would help this tremendously.

Hammer Slam does bashit insane damage and applies a 50% snare late game.  I don't see how you could make it easier to use without gutting the damage and/or snare.  I think it's just one of those abilities that sucks all game until you hit 15 and then it gets outrageous, especially when your partners start using stuns as well.

The only change I think would be fair is if its cast time increased the way its mana cost does as the ranks get higher, so that it would synch up a bit better with your boulder early and mid game.

Well i played rook a few times (a played 100% of my game vs ai till now...( becuase of the online issues...)) and i always took hammer slam to destroy a group of creeps, and i really thought that this was imba. If you have skilled it up to level 3 or higher, u only need to walk into a group of creeps and make your hammer slam, when there are 8 creeps, all are dead. So what can you do with spit?? Spit is anti-heroe, h-slam is anti creep. Thats how i got this. It´s the same like torchbearers fireball vs heroes, and his ring of fire vs creeps. You could also complain about the ring of fire being not an effective hero killer.

Right

Yes, but they are also very good (and much better than spit) vs creeps. And this is what the OP ignored...

Hammer Slam pwns. The enemy often chases you when you're low on health, so you spin and roll/slam, and you can often become the chaser or the killer, instead of the chased or killed. Some of the weaker DGs like Regulus or TB can be especially vulnerable to this. They're chasing you, turn around, roll, slam, kill with treb/ToL. People just don't take single skills to do that much damage. 

Not just that, but it can work amazingly in team fights, as Hammer Slam can frequently land on two+ enemy melee DGs. I've won entire 3v1s with this tactic. You just need fast reactions after the roll. Also good for smashing those annoying Bishops.

As another poster pointed out, the long time also allows easy cancel if the enemy's dodging. It's a poor Rook who allows his Slam to complete on nothing or just fringe damage.

I also find the secondary weapons to be extremely powerful.

Frankly, Hammer Slam has one big advantage that Spit can never have, which is that everyone will RUN THE FUCK AWAY. It's easy to use this to protect yourself, towers, teammates. Nobody with any brains comes up to a Rook with maxed Hammer Slam, it's a deathwish. Especially comboed with Towers and HoL. Who will keep chasing for the kill when they're the ones standing underneath the massive hammer.

Not that I don't think it needs buffing. Good players can interrupt it too easily. But it has a much, much poorer reputation than it deserves.

I think both are mostly fine, except spit could use a range reduction, maybe even make it a melee range skill instead.

I agree with DeadMG there. Hammer slam is very powerful. Especially against people who aren't watching out for it. Granted, people who don't see the rook going into his big-ol' arm swingy hammer strike just plain aren't paying attention. 

If it was any harder to get away from it though, I think it'd be OP. I mean right now its scary for demigods who are able to see it coming, but it plain out rapes players who can't see it coming. It's also freaking amazing vs creeps and towers.

Boulder roll then immediately hammer slam 

Spit -> Orb of defiance/Health pot etc etc -> Win.

This. There is no "hard" counter to fireball, pounce, or penitence. Why does there need to be some single item/ability which automatically makes spit useless?

I agree with the poster above me (Schobbo). Hammer slam can deal absurd damage, you just need to line it up right (boulder roll or have an ally stun).