CallTheVoid

I disagree with having a ban-list in general.   I recall some people citing me for bans on DotA simply because I was trying a new character and didn't play in an 'epic' fashion that was good enough for them.   I believe that your best bet if you want to make sure there are no early leavers is to play tournament modes or when clan matches are released....where it hurts someone's 'rating' that they might care about (then again note that custom games have this as well and theoretically when it is working many will be dettered from quiting all the time).  

Leavers have plagued every game for as long as I remember, despite the use of a ban list or not, and we want to promote an open community so that the game gets more support and people feel welcome.

I do think that you should be able to kick someone from your lobby and for the period of that game, it not allow them to rejoin.   I believe that could be a reasonable idea.

Mainly I think what they need is the ability to make 'private' slots in custom games so you can invite your friends so that they will definitely get in the game, in the slot desired.

Just wait... you all will come around -.^

i dont think  a ban list is a priority at the moment   i would say a concede option is more needed

This post is saying "I WANT IT NOW!!"

Sure, it is on the way, but that could be in like..... forever.  On the way could = 3 years from now.

Even that, I would love to have right now.  I'd rather it be more like 5 minutes tho.

You just invalidated your own suggestions .

I think I'd be ok with lobby bans, and maybe even a votekick system to get griefing or douchebag players out of a game when they're ruining things for everyone.

However, I'm NOT in favor of something that globally bans or kicks players, as the term "banlist" in reference to DotA suggests.

The OP sounds like someone who played a lot of Dota, and is completely right.

We have experience with these kind of things.  Banlists are definitely needed, or at the least some kind of ignore list.  Demigod has neither.

Shared banlists don't work.  Everyone knows this.  Local banlists work wonderfully.  If your mom just died, or girlfriend/boyfriend came or <insert other legitimate excuse here> (though "boyfriend came over" might not be so legitimate if you knew they were coming but started a game anyways) then I probably wouldn't ban you assuming you SAID SO before bailing from the game.

Everyone has their own personal thresholds for what they'd ban for.  Performing fine all game but suddenly lagging out?  I probably wouldn't ban.  If you did it a few times, or lagged all the time?  I probably would.  Died a few times and left?  A ban.  Afker?  A ban.  Saw you again?  Would mention the first ban and see what you said about it.  Depending on your response I may play with you again.  Left a second time?  Banned forever.  Griefer?  Banned forever.  Garbage sim speed making game unplayable?  Ban.

You see, a ban from me does not suddenly mean that you necessarily did something "wrong" (as in the case of bad sim speed) but that I just do not want to play with you again.

Now consider player 2.  They ban for nearly anything.  You sucked?  Ban.  First blood?  Ban.  Said something they didn't like?  Ban. 

What's wrong with this?  Nothing.  They can ban people for whatever they want.  If they ban you, is that a bad thing?  No, because you probably don't want to play such a jackass ANYWAYS.

I don't see how this is a bad thing, it just allows each person to track people that ruin their enjoyment.  As long as there is no attempt at a crappy "public" or "shared" banlist, which as I've already said NEVER works, implementing a personal banlist is only for the good of the people playing the game.

2 Strikes is pretty generous imo ^^. I'm with Vengeance, very much looking forward to something better than having notepad up on my other screen while I host a lobby. Those people saying there shouldn't be a banlist are ignoring the fact that people are already using methods like the one I use, having an integrated personal banlist will improve things rather than harming the community

There is nothing stopping you from hosting your own game if you find that you are on people's banlists, maybe others will join...

I think the more likely scenario is that over time the community will break off into smaller groups of people who like playing together and are from the same region, so the moral of the story is don't be an idiot and always tell the host if you need to leave!

The only case I can see a banlist being a problem is where a very new player does not know how to chat,and needs to leave for some reason or other, but I feel that's pretty rare.

^^

Holy $%#@, where the hell did you come from?!?!

Err, DotA doesn't do well at all, regardless of a banlist. Community = terrible, getting into a game with people of the proper skill level = terrible. The damn thing is literally unplayable if you aren't in a clan. As we can see from DotA, a banlist will do nothing against the ever-streaming tide of laggers, leavers, and afkers who knock at your door. I'll wave to you next time I see you on the beach with a teacup, trying to drain the ocean.