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This is the only correct way to play unclean beast.

By on May 12, 2009 5:54:57 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

As far as I'm concerned, there is only one correct way to play Unclean Beast.

Spit and run. Spit and run.

I see people going for armor/hp items, maxing out ooze, trying to melee other demigods at full heath, etc.

All wrong man. All wrong. Seriously, if you are not maxing out Venom Spit and stacking +speed items, then you should go play an easier demigod, like rook or regulus.

Here is how the game transpires:

Starting off, buy the anklets for +speed, then buy the first helm for +mana and two teleport scrolls. Then port to the farthest tower and go cap a flag. Sooner or later an enemy DG will come. Spit on them. Since they're level 1, at this point they'll probably turn tail and run. Let them run. Kill the creeps. You'll be level 2. Put that point into inner beast for more +speed.

Do this until you hit level 4. It will be pretty easy. Spit on a demigod WHENEVER you see one, but don't chase them too far. If they come to you, just run and then spit again if they are still following by the time the cooldown is up. They WILL run now, because they're almost out of hp. Try to catch them, but again, no sweat. Your main goal here is to harass the hell out of them and not let them gain any exp from creep kills while you do. Make them avoid you.

At this point, if you have been doing it right, and they are not really really good (in my experience 90% of players aren't), then you'll be level 4 and they'll be level 2 or 3. This actually gives you a massive advantage because at level 4 you get the second rank of spit, which is a HUGE upgrade. Now teleport back to base, buy the 10% speed boots, and go back to the lane. Now you're VERY fast. Not only that, your spit hurts a lot. Two spits should get a demigod down to 25%.

What you do: let them push all the way to your towers, then run in, spit on them, and start chasing them. You'll be faster, and you'll be hitting them while they run. When they reach their towers, instead of running in with them, spit again and go back to your lane. The DoT will kill them (it does about 85% of the time, unless they heal themselves, or shield if they're oak (but that's rare because they've already used shield most likely)).

Get the corpose explosion skill (forget what it's called) at level 5. Continue to kill creeps (will be much easier now, you'll be killing 4-5 at a time).

At this point you'll probably be level 6 or so. Keep going for inner beast, and put the other point into either +stats, or foul grasp if you prefer a more aggressive style. I like foul grasp because of the interrupt, obviously, but +stats allows you to be a better killing machine.

I would say that about 75% of the time, one or both of the enemy demigods have quit by the time I hit level 10. This is either because I kill them too many times, or they realize they are not leveling fast enough to keep up. If they haven't quit, then they will soon because I already have mageslayer.

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The most common mistake by far is to go for weapon damage right off the bat. This is wrong because UB has low armor and health, so while you'll dish out damage, you'll also take a lot of damage. And if you're not fast enough, you'll die.

Second most common mistake is to use spit only occasionally. I use it every chance I get, either on enemy demigods or on structures. It's actually fantastic for taking down towers because you do at least 1k dmg and you get hit only once if you're quick enough. But anyway, either get heart of life (my choice), or enough +mana items so that your mana is always full. Spit on enemy demigods as much as you can. Even if they don't die, they'll get low on health and play a lot less aggressively, which means you have more room for doing whatever you want to do.

Another common mistake is a lot of people get bestial wrath. It is a waste of a skill and not very good even when it seems like the time is right (i.e. right before a confrontation). It has a 1 second cast time, has a distinct sound and animation so most people will simply get out of melee range. By the time you catch them, you'll have only a few seconds left on it. I only put points into it in later levels when I've maxed out spit, inner beast, and stats.

Bottom line: play to your strengths. UB is all about speed and damage over time. Don't try to get too creative with it. You may have some success against noobs, but better players will kick your arse.

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May 13, 2009 11:05:32 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

I remember playing against this one oak, who intterrupted 3 out of my 4 spits on him with his insta ability, I could never do that against UBs when I play oak, but once you get the timing right, it's a nice counter.

May 13, 2009 12:31:21 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

You guys are missing the point.

Yes, there are counters to spit. Oak can shield, QoT can shield, sedna can heal, erebus can mist, etc.

The purpose of spit is not to take down the enemy DG. It is to put them on the defensive, to annoy the crap out of them, to make them panic and not get as much exp as you are getting out of creeps. If they are spending their time away from the battle licking their wounds then they are falling behind. A lot of the time they get frustrated when they realize this, then start taking more and more risks. Eventually they over-extend themselves and die. It's usually like

"I'm gonna go farm this lane... oh shit it's UB"

*gets spat on*

"Shit shit my hp is going down, gotta get away from this guy"

"Dammit I'm not getting any exp if I'm away from the battle, must get back in'

*gets spat on again*

"I'm about to die... better use this potion/teleport scroll"

*gets foul grasped*

*dies*

*quits the game*

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To the guy that said I only have 12 games played, I actually have two accounts. Think before you post, please.

May 13, 2009 12:57:45 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

with a mere 600 favor item and either Sedna, erebus, QoT or Oak your spit is worthless might want to make sure who you play against with that strategy cause with the dispell favor item and a simple points in the right skill all these DG make spit worthless against them.

I love killing spitting beasts that do no damage to me with it.

May 13, 2009 1:05:04 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Many spells dispel spit. There are also potions which let you heal the damage that spit inflicted. Your opponents have a variety of options open to them to undo the effects of your spit. Your assertion that spit is the only way to inflict damage with UB is thus incorrect.

May 13, 2009 1:11:24 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

IMO,

Swap the cast time of Frenzy with the instant cast of Spit. That way, the demigod being harassed has 2 options:

1. charge if you know you have the DPS advantage, you'll be able to close distance and get some DPS off while the animation for spit finishes. 

2: retreat with enough space between you and UB to get back safely to a tower, or to start your own kite if your TB or something.

Frenzy would be bomb if it was instant. Keep the animation though, it's shexy.

Naz

May 13, 2009 2:30:46 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting Enraged_Camel,
You guys are missing the point.

Yeah it seems most people are missing this idea.  This is level 1-4.  You are a bit faster and won't be taking any hits if done right, so you'll probably be back at full health to spit again.  Did someone have to use an item?  An ability?  Did they have to change an initial pick to offset the potential of a UB spitter?  What if you wanted to pick Pest as Oak but instead were forced to pick Shield cause of a potential UB Spit threat?

I think the UB Spit early game is really solid for harass and shouldn't be just scoffed at by anyone but L.E. and even he is pretty squishy at the earliest levels.

Also for those so quick to dismiss an opinion based on games played, many people are playing locally, or through a secondary service...

May 13, 2009 4:12:44 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Camel dude. Try to keep your future posts toned down a bit. Yes, you have a solid build, but it is not the only one that works and can be easily countered by any general who buys a monk idol and sends monks to support the person laning against you. You seem to forget the fact that Demigod, is a TEAM game when evaluating UB's other useful skills.

 

Ooze is definitely useful when you have a sedna watching your back or when you're fighting against a pushing/minion/rightclick dependent team(-40 percent attack speed nom nom nom). Beastial wrath a waste of a skill? Not when you have an oak with penitence+surge of faith'ing you(Hello +20% move speed), erebus with charms/bite, Frost mage with slow speed, regulus with maim, etc.

I agree with you that Venom Spit is a very very  useful skill. I definitely get it maxed out if A. enemy is either badly skilled and/or if they don't really have a good counter to it and B. if I can't really depend on my teammates (i.e. they're sitting in the lane farming creeps while I"m trying to score us a kill...). If you've got team synergy(good skilled players with useful abilities), I don't think there's much need to max out spit and instead get some more of the gravy skills.

 Bottom line: Play to the situation. Winning games is more important than a 1337 number of kills. UB is an awesome ganker and with good support almost unstoppable. Don't try to be a retarded lone wolf greedy for kills. You may have some success against noobs, but better players will kick your arse.

 

 

May 13, 2009 5:48:25 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

QoT, Oak, and Sedna will all devastate anyone playing a spit focused UB.

May 13, 2009 5:52:57 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

The cd on Oak's shield is far too high to be a viable counter to spit.

May 13, 2009 7:07:38 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Best way for oak to outplay UB earlygame is get the monk idol and penitence for first skill, divine justice, shield.

As someone said, shield isn't the best choice to counter the spit.

See how competent the ub is, if he's gonna telegraph his spit... try and get penitence off and interrupt  the cast and the whack him a couple times. Its usually best to get some mental dominance early game and hope the UB makes some mistakes either with equipment (no hp regen in which case turn on the aggression), wastes mana by casting venom spit as soon as the cd is up and not when duration of spell ends etc). Level 2, you get access to divine justice and if you have halfway decent last hitting ability you can regain 39'ish hp every creep you last hit. Paired with your priests (10 percent max hp heal every 8 seconds means 240'ish hp / 8 seconds). You'll survive just fine if its a 1v1 situation.

Microin'g priests is a major plus. You can be healing + harrassing with their ranged.

Honestly, if you've got a good team, it should be a group effort to make the UB's life miserable. UB is one of the most potent heros mid/late game and it imperative to keep him underleveled+underfarmed. In fact the only recent games I've lost have been to this well played duo of UB+Sedna(Who stacked 3 sets of priest idol minions... evil)


May 13, 2009 8:11:31 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting Ezzekhiel,
So I think before claiming stuff like "this is the only way bla bla bla" you should get more experience, because your current total of 12 games played with 7 losses doesn't really speak for you. I'm personnaly thinking you spent more time writing your post than you actually played the game
LOL pwnd.

May 14, 2009 3:14:30 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

I love UB. He is my best DG. But spit/run is not my playstyle. I like killing. So I go Spit/ooze/spit/ooze/grasp once you reach lvl 5 your a demigod killing machine. Ooze before battle then run in start attacking. Spit after a few attacks then keep going and wait for him to run or try an item. Once he does grasp then spit again as needed or just melee him to death. UB's one true weakness is his fragility, so I spend all my gold on health items.

December 3, 2009 12:27:14 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Hey, I'm a big fan of the Unclean Beast.  My first time playing him I immediately maxed out Venom Spit, but also put points in Foul Grasp (great interrupter), and Diseased Claws.  I also stacked speed items.  I took down DG's left and right with all of the DoT's.  Even Oak didn't stand a chance.  If you know where to put your points, the Unclean Beast can be more than just a spit 'n run DG.  I would prefer to use the spit when the target is running.  And before I know, as he's leaving my sight range, up pops 'GODLIKE'.  Unclean Beast has way more uses than just spitting.

December 3, 2009 1:22:36 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

:facepalm:

do not necro

December 3, 2009 1:47:26 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

jesus christ necro'd from beyond the grave.  WAY TO CONTINUE THE NECRO BUGGER

December 3, 2009 2:17:44 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

So anyways back on topic... there is only one way to play beast well.

Spit +  Ooze + Health Stack...

December 3, 2009 3:56:30 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Lol.. .I replied to this long ago. Now though I only grab 1 point of spit when playing UB and use the rest to max ooze, inner beast and diseased claw. This build totally owns a pure spit beast because you can stack so much health not having to worry about mana at all.

December 3, 2009 4:26:35 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Lol at guy with 111 games who post this guide and lol at guy with 5 games who agrees with him. Seriusly spit and run? any general have easy time to counter that with monks. U get max 3 spits then u gotta run back to crystal to get mana. In that time ereb or spirit oak would rape your tower on cataract.

U need hp to hold line, You cant because u will start with 1550 u dont plan to increase it at all till what lvl 5-7?

No general with monks and blood of the fallen will leave line after lvl 1 spit. They will push you out of the line and you wouldnt farm = loose expierience.

December 3, 2009 8:44:49 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

So anyways back on topic... there is only one way to play beast well.

Spit + Ooze + Health Stack...

With BotS

December 3, 2009 10:48:28 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting zzSleeper,
Agree with the OP, spit and run is currently the most effective (ie: best) UB strat.


I agree that a spit centered playstyle is the only viable ones for UB right now, but there's no way to find that out unless we experiment.


Experimentation is necessary, but without some changes dev-side I don't think any comparably effective early-game builds are likely to be discovered.

Never worked guys . All guys say that should stop playing this game. You will not kill any demigods except regulus. Ooze build owns that stupit shitty build I guess. When you spit and run, you will become low health by regulus and killed by batswarm + bite in 2.5 seconds

December 3, 2009 11:29:19 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting Maccilia,

So anyways back on topic... there is only one way to play beast well.

Spit + Ooze + Health Stack...


With BotS

Lies! With blood of the fallen to power ooze and hold your lane!

December 4, 2009 12:39:34 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting TB_MasteR,

Quoting zzSleeper, reply 5Agree with the OP, spit and run is currently the most effective (ie: best) UB strat.


I agree that a spit centered playstyle is the only viable ones for UB right now, but there's no way to find that out unless we experiment.


Experimentation is necessary, but without some changes dev-side I don't think any comparably effective early-game builds are likely to be discovered.

Never worked guys . All guys say that should stop playing this game. You will not kill any demigods except regulus. Ooze build owns that stupit shitty build I guess. When you spit and run, you will become low health by regulus and killed by batswarm + bite in 2.5 seconds

^^

The dangers of necroing.

December 5, 2009 9:00:32 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

With blood of the fallen to power ooze and hold your lane!

ya what was I thinking?! get BotF not BotS one letter wrong sheesh

December 6, 2009 5:00:46 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

TB_Master, you do realize that this thread is months old, right? None of these people play anymore, and they'll never see this thread. Lol.

 

Yes! Don't get BotS. *cough* *cough* Because it's lame and shit. Geez, who would ever use BotS?

December 6, 2009 5:11:22 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

stop reading... just feeding zombie

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