Well I have to comment, first 'dota player' learn to speak intelligently, spell 'you' fully and people will give you more respect.

Now, to point one thing out to Windexglow, when people left and then you got kicked, what probably happened is the host left, no one else could host, and the game ended as a whole.

And the concept used by dota (i.e. AoS style maps) was at the time very innovative. And while enjoy DotA I give it a meh it's ok rating, demigod is definitely going to prove diffrent, it has already.

When the host leaves you can continue to play, ONLY IF some one else can host, (i.e. they must not have a firewall(usually it's a firewall)), and most people on bnet cannot host. In some cases when everyone leaves, you SOMETIMES get a server split that allows you to play alone, but not always.

And yes you are right when your connection gets terminated you are forced to quit, WHICH is what happens when a host leaves and no one else can host.

Not only have I played on bnet since RoC but I make maps and mods for it, I know what I'm talking about.

Once a game starts there is no "host". It's all peer to peer.

Actually no. Someone is designated the host (almost always the guy who made the game), and he remains the host until he leaves. Under ideal circumstances his leaving would be at the end of the game, and everyone would drop as normal, but if he were to lag enough so that some/all of the other players couldn't reach him, he'd drag some/none of the other players with him causing a split. If none of the remaining players have the ability to host (you can shut off your hosting ability, rumours abound that it helps stop splits (it does, just now how everyone thinks)), those players get booted back to whatever channel they were in. If someone can host though, usually whoever's next highest on the player roster, they take over and start sending updates to the players they still have contact with. Since some of the players are still connected to the original host, they ignore the new host's commands (cheaters!) and thus a split is born. It's an odd thing when it happens, I've been in a large game of SWAT: Aftermath (7 players) and about half way through, after one person decided to leave on his own, the game split and two of us were left in a survival game while the others played on thinking we left. >P

I thought we were talking about Wc3 though, I know its got a server model. I agree though that peer to peer makes more sense for gaming with units on a large scale (over a few dozen). For FPS', or games where you control only a single character, it makes very little sense though because it's too easy to tell everyone, "Yeah, uh, my guy's over there. You must have missed the packets that told you that. Oh, and I just did a billion damage to you through a wall." While technically you could do such a thing for an RTS, the game is structured in such a way (usually) that large numbers of units are easily built and/or replaced, and the damage of an individual is rarely as important. Plus, I think someone's going to notice when your army doesn't die to superior forces. >)
I'm pretty sure that all of Blizzard's games follow the client/server model, I know Starcraft had some similar issues with crappy hosts bringing down the rest of the players, but the same players hosted by a different person would be fine (except the one lagger).

To use an analogy, while the games use a peer-to-peer model for most things (there is way to much going on for a server-client setup), they do need a 'host' to serve as traffic cop to make sure the data gets where it needs to go.

That kick function you're talking about wasn't in DoTA, its a third party program that blocks you're IP from connecting to the hosts, thereby removing you from the game.

Blizzard already made that program not work with custom maps in warcraft 3 also. So there really is no problem here

I think you may have joined a "pro only" game perhaps? But even if you didn't, you can't possibly hold it against the developers if other players don't want to play with people who suck and ruin it for them.

Kicking indeed works perfectly fine again, and we are talking about wc3 not supcom!

And, windexglow, have you cracked dota or something? Otherwise how do you know what his coding looks like? and even if you did.. where did you get the files to reconstruct his triggers? (as cracking the map you play with will only give a mess of code that isn't formatted, unless you have the files he (probably) backed his triggers up in)

And if your talking about the dota templates... they're actually very good, leak free, and they work! Whats wrong with that?

By wasting 3 games for 9 players, you wasted let's say about 13.5 hours for them (10 minutes to setup a game, loading, pick heroes etc + 20 min actual game, to a total of 0.5 hours * 9 players * 3 games = 13.5 hours). So, it's totally ok for you to waste 13.5 hours of other's time, yet you don't have even 8 hours of your precious time (obviously, you don't care about other's time) and complain that others didn't teach you.

Read forums, watch replays, play against AI. There is no time to teach someone during the game. When you're playing a _team_ game, you should play, not ask stupid questions. There is no time for chat in RTS games. If you want to chat during the game, use Team Speak or something.

Ellestar you prove Feynt and Windexglow's points quite well.

 

I'd like to think that the majority of the dota community is not incredibly rude and immature and that it only seems that way because the rude and immature crowd are much more vocal.  If you think about it, in a game with 10 players, there's usually only 2 or 3 really obnoxious ones.  Sometimes it may be 4 or and sometimes you may feel like the only one with a sane head, but generally I'd say its 2 to 3...  Here's hoping.

You'r right. it's usaully 1-3 people per game out of 10.

But 30% of people being douches is still quite a lot.

 

 

Oh I remember playing UT back in 1999.  People did this amazing thing where if you were typing they wouldn't attack you.  There was an animation when you typed, hand pressing against the ear and nodded.  about 99 out of 100 people, if they saw you, wouldn't attack you and get an easy kill/point(unless it was CTF, then a lot more people would kill you for obvious reasons.).  People cared more about sportsmanship and fair play than adding +1 points to their score.

By the time UT2003 came.. it still had this same animation, but people would always kill you while you where typing.  The maturity of people degraded so much in just 4 years, and now it's even worse. :/

I guess I'm more immature and arrogant than I was too, probably from dealing with all these kids and immature people in games..

 

So from less than 1%, to 30%..

It's the spread of the Internet. Back in 1999 (I was 7 lol), there weren't many people on the web, and those who were tended to be the type who'd spent hours messing with their technology to get on the web. Not many 10-year-olds were there (cept me lol) because online gaming wasn't so accessible. Now, every retard who can open the cup holder can get online, and all those kids see is other retards. Which is a bad learning process.

 

Yeah, it is just the annoying noobs who're loud in the game - I see maybe 2 noobs in a 10-player DotA game. The other 8 just play, and only talk about stuff like "[Allies] is it okay if I go solo in the bottom lane?" and "[All] lol, thought I was going to win for a second there". I tried out Garena last night: it's a gaming platform where you can play certain online games with an experience system, and less delay than you'd find on Battlenet. Because Garena takes some setup, it excludes most noobs - with the exception of my friend (whose laptop overheated 9 minutes in and crashed), everyone stayed to the end and was good-natured about how the game worked out.