Best way to balance super OPed UB

that's what queen said

Queen sucks btw

Just use it for 1v1 super minion build

Quoting Heros_Master,

Queen sucks btw

Just use it for 1v1 super minion build

You can stop posting now.

imo lower his base speed to da speed and spit damage generally around 100 and lvl 15 to 300 aoe dmg. and either lower ooze damage or the percentage it slows enemies attacks.

I vote for a removal of UB. Period.

If you play him, you should be shot. Multiple times. In the genitals.

Quoting Teseer,

reply 30

I vote for a removal of UB. Period.

If you play him, you should be shot. Multiple times. In the genitals.

Remove everyone but queen of thorns.

Quoting Teseer,

reply 30

I vote for a removal of UB. Period.

If you play him, you should be shot. Multiple times. In the genitals.

I think Teseer is just mad because TB would own every game if there was not a UB.

And I do damn good even with one, tyvm

Remove everyone but queen of thorns.

Remove all the characters. Make the whole game about citadel upgrades and joint unit micro

P.S. - This is an awesome concept for a game

Quoting synnworld,

reply 23

Quoting Epiphenomenon, reply 21I will give up Ooze if you give up Shamblers.Ok I give up shambler and you give up both spit and ooze, DEAL!

I think we all know that Queen doesn't spit!

my 2 cents

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I think we all know that Queen doesn't spit!

In Starcraft she does! Did I detect a hidden spit/swallow joke?

Barely visible smut!

Quoting Splitshadow,

reply 37

I think we all know that Queen doesn't spit!
In Starcraft she does! Did I detect a hidden spit/swallow joke?

Hey split lets get a game going, I'll be rook!

UB can be balanced easily, a Rook can crush him, set up a couple tower if beast runs in boulder roll, slam, if he still stays then pop a sigil or get a teammate to teleport in..... and Rook and oak can have a bigger or an even late game impact.

Beast's grasp could be easily balanced if it counted as a stun like Rook's boulder roll or Erebus's charm. The reason grasp is so freakin overpowered is because you can stun chain someone for five or six seconds. If you try and grasp someone that has stun immunity, tough cookies, you need to wait.

Grasp stun time should be reduced at low levels and increased at high levels. There should be a reason to sink points into a higher level grasp.

Grasp should not be cancelable.

Grasp should never interrupt. If you've cast an ability and you are grasped in the middle of it, the casting should continue at the point it was at the time you were grasped when you are released.

Ta-da

I'm in love with PBS's avatar. I just wanted everyone to know.

She looks like a trashy white bitch, Jon. I mean, the whole boobs in a belt thing is cool and everything, but she looks like an old hag.

Quoting OMG_Splitshadow,

reply 35

Remove everyone but queen of thorns.

Remove all the characters. Make the whole game about citadel upgrades and joint unit micro

P.S. - This is an awesome concept for a game

warcraft / starcraft / command and conquer / age of empires / etc ?

Quoting 4Nana,

reply 44

Quoting OMG_Splitshadow, reply 35
Remove everyone but queen of thorns.

Remove all the characters. Make the whole game about citadel upgrades and joint unit micro

P.S. - This is an awesome concept for a game

warcraft / starcraft / command and conquer / age of empires / etc ?

Those games don't exist!

Quoting OMG_Epiphenomenon,

reply 43

She looks like a trashy white bitch, Jon. I mean, the whole boobs in a belt thing is cool and everything, but she looks like an old hag.

Im confused, you looked at her face?

Quoting OMG_Jongalt26,

reply 46

Quoting OMG_Epiphenomenon, reply 43She looks like a trashy white bitch, Jon. I mean, the whole boobs in a belt thing is cool and everything, but she looks like an old hag.
Im confused, you looked at her face?

isn't that the first thing every guy checks when they can't see below the waist?

Quoting SaulTigh,

reply 41

Beast's grasp could be easily balanced if it counted as a stun like Rook's boulder roll or Erebus's charm. The reason grasp is so freakin overpowered is because you can stun chain someone for five or six seconds. If you try and grasp someone that has stun immunity, tough cookies, you need to wait.

Grasp should not be cancelable.

Ta-da

Didn't see this.

Grasp must be cancelable, it is the only workable way to use Bestial Wrath. eg: Grasp -> Cancel Roar -> Begin attack as stun is done.

Chain stun is bad, agreed.

UB wakness: UB doesn't have an escape move, sure he beats everyone if you trap them in the Spit / Ooze -> Attack -> Grasp -> Spit pattern, but he is pretty easy to gank too.

When you are at the level where you can compensate for UB's lack of an escape plan to avoid dying alot, you also know Sedna and Rook can take you until you get acclimation, and Oak will mess you up if he Pens a spit.

So, I'd say UB is fine except for the stun chain which is cheating the game mechanics, especially if you get 2+ UBs in a game. There was a random 3vs3 I was in recently. 3 UBs vs 3 QoTs. Lol, as soon as level 5 rolled around, I was focused grasped 3 times in a row. That is hilarious only once.

If Grasp is broken, his target should become unstunned. The code is actually there in the ability, it just doesn't trigger, for some reason (lol demigod, nothing works).

UB needs:

- to have his extra +.5 speed moved into Inner Beast instead of starting it (eg, instead of 3/7/10 how it is now, make it 5/10/15)

- Spit either needs an 8 second cooldown or halve Spit's range. Having the range makes Rook an even better counter than he is now, allowing a good Rook to completely shut down an enemy beast. An 8 second cooldown actually makes him "kiteable" because an enemy TB could use an ability, get span on, it comes off of cooldown, use it again, before spat ran off of cooldown

- Remove or halve the -% attack debuff from Ooze.

- Grasp canceles the stun when UB breaks it

That would fix him a lot. UB is almost always the strongest demigod on every map, game mode, and player-count. If he isn't the strongest he is the second or third. 4v4 Levi? Check. 2v2 Prison? Check. And so on. It's stupid. I think all demigods should be brought up to UB's caliber (rather than nerfing him down to everyone else). OF course, Bestial Wrath and stuff could be buffed (:

Yes, UB does need his natural speed as an escape mechanism since he lacks any other one BUT he doesn't need it level one! You don't get ganked level 1. Lacking a good escape mechanism is hardly a "weakness" since it punishes overextending (and a foolproof escape mechanism rewards overextending: see Shield-Port, or Batswarm-Mist-Bite-Batswarm)

I've been screaming to half the range of spit forever!

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