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WHAT'S UP WITH DAT?!? My rant about violence in kids' movies/shows.

By on May 27, 2009 10:49:57 PM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

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WARNING: The following is a rant, and thus, it  must be read as such. Do not accuse me of being  "unfair", "biased", etc.  because this is meant to blow off steam. If you reply to the following text, please do so with  some semblace of humor. If you must respond seriously, please do so with some civility.  Thank you, and enjoy the rant.

Almost every day we hear some new crusader screaming about how the latest fad is "corrupting our childrens' minds", "didentigrating the moral fiber of our nation", or even "making the occult and evil fashionable and cool". And yet, if you look at what's been targeted, you'll notice something, most of it was NEVER MEANT FOR CHILDREN.

Grand Theft Auto? M-rated, justifiably.

50-cent, Nelly, ect.? Most of thier albums have a label that clearly reads "Parental Advisory: Explicit Content"

Gory violence in SAW? I really don't know how that thing avoided an NC-17 rating.

And yet, even though these things are clearly for mature audiences, and literaly labled as such, they attract controversy from all sides for "corrupting" the minds of kids who weren't supposed to see/play/listen too them in the first place.

WHAT'S UP WITH DAT?!?

 

What REALLY irks me is that stuff that bills itself as "family friendly" contains content that should NOT be shown to kids, and yet it barely raises eybrows.

Case in point:

In G. I. Joe, Pok`emon, and countless other "action cartoons", heroes and villians alike are  electrocuted, blown up, fall of cliffs, get in FREAKING GUN FIGHTS, ect. and come out with barely a scratch. It's like, "Oh, don't worry, violence has no consequences."

WHAT'S UP WITH DAT?!?

I mean, sheesh. Showing a big, blood-and-guts fight where someone gets killed is one thing, but having everyone come out of a fight  just fine, like nothing even happened? Which do you think is more destructive?

 

And while we're on the subject of violence, what about the acts of violence themsleves?

In the movie adaptation of My Favorite Martian, there's a scene where two security guards are beating up the hero. His girlfriend, watching in horror, chews some gum that turns her into a huge, tentacled reptilian alien. What happens next?

Does she go for something cartoony, like clunking the guards over the head with a heavy object?

Does the guards run off, sceaming like little girls at the sight of her?

Does the hero just clonk the guards' heads together, or something similar, while the guards are distracted?

The answer is: None of the above.

The heore's girlfriend picks one of the guards up, and after swinging him around, throws him into a computer monitor, which causes the deivce to explode in a shower of sparks. The other guard panics and runs, but is cornered by the heroe's girlfriend, still in her monsterous form. The gurad screams like a mainiac, then the heore's girlfriend EATS THE GUARD, then burps, giggles and turns back into a human like nothing happened.

WTH?!?

Why is it that scenes like the ones described above go relatively unnoticed in kids' movies, but objectonable content in media meant for mature audiences gets everyone up in arms?

In other words....

 

WHAT'S UP WITH DAT?!?

There's my rant, ladies and gentlemen. Tell me what you think about it, but please remember: If I sounded mad, I was supoosed to, 'cause it's a rant!

Good Night, and Good Luck.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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May 27, 2009 11:01:54 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

I must say I surprisingly agree with you karma

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May 27, 2009 11:03:06 PM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

Quoting Canthon,
I must say I surprisingly agree with you karma

Thanks. You get karma, too.

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May 27, 2009 11:12:15 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

To add even more fuel to the fire, in Germany you (as an inmature child) can see nudetiy but cannot see bloody volience even if you are an adult.

Other countries have similar screwed up moralities imho

This has been a much debated subject and can get very frustrating on all sides

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May 27, 2009 11:14:19 PM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

Germany you (as an inmature child) can see nudetiy but cannot see bloody volience even if you are an adult.

Stupid. Completely, utterly stupid.

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May 27, 2009 11:19:09 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Is your avatar Irving!? Your post was tl;dr, but the avatar is a win in and of itself.

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May 27, 2009 11:31:26 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Have to agree as well karma.

The funny thing about Pokemon is that the english dub often censors or skips episodes with guns and other violence, but in the current season a 10 year old girl wearing a mini skirt accompanies two teenage boys as they travel across the world while her mother sits at home and encourages her to "follow her dreams" or some crap. How 'bout you go back to elementary school and get an education first?

And don't even get me started with the super-powered dog fights.

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May 27, 2009 11:33:22 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Not just movies, I find it rather disturbing that toys meant for kids themselves are already symbols representing violence. We have toy guns (a lot of them looking like the real thing), toy tanks/fighter planes/warships and also toy soldiers complete with packaging art to create the notion of war being manly and cool.

Another thing I have issues with, is how animals are being misrepresented in children's stories. Predatory animals are always being depicted as evil, thus causing children to misunderstand and prejudge them. If we want to be consistent with this, workers in livestock slaughter houses or even your friendly neighbourhood fishmonger/butcher must be evil too. Hell, they're evil for eating the hamburger they so love.

Children must be taught how to respect animals from an early age!

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May 27, 2009 11:40:02 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Quoting SyDaemon,
Predatory animals are always being depicted as evil, thus causing children to misunderstand and prejudge them.

Especially when you consider that the most dangerous animals are herbevories (Elephants, Hippos, etc.)

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May 28, 2009 12:37:01 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

I think that one thing we've done right is getting a good portion of hateful topics out of society. For example, pro-Nazi references are illegal in Germany, excess gory violence (a non-stop bloodfest) essentially goes unnoticed but so much still gets through. You can go out and rent a scary movie or a pornographic movie even if youre a kid in some places. Its just wrong, exposing people to that

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May 28, 2009 12:41:07 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Its just wrong, exposing people to that

Not to sound preachy, but I think people should be free to choose what they expose themselves (or their kids) to.

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May 28, 2009 12:45:27 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

I respect that opinion but I only want to point out that some things can be pretty traumatizing to kids if they see it. the point isnt to be a censor of absolutely everything but to prevent the most damaging things from getting through

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May 28, 2009 12:56:40 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting GeneralVeers,
some things can be pretty traumatizing to kids if they see it.

Very true.

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May 28, 2009 2:07:49 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Quoting BigAbboTT,

Its just wrong, exposing people to that


Not to sound preachy, but I think people should be free to choose what they expose themselves (or their kids) to.

 

No, jsut no.

 

People are not responsible enoguh nowadays to e relied upon to care for what their kids are watching or exposing themselves to.

 

those parents who do, in my experience are quite often overly protective.

 

both things are unhelathy. Thats my two cents.

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May 28, 2009 2:09:33 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting Ryat,

Quoting SyDaemon, reply 7 Predatory animals are always being depicted as evil, thus causing children to misunderstand and prejudge them.

Especially when you consider that the most dangerous animals are herbevories (Elephants, Hippos, etc.)

The sad truth is that in time, they'll learn that the most dangerous animal can be himself.  

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May 28, 2009 2:17:50 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting gugabalog,

People are not responsible enoguh nowadays to e relied upon to care for what their kids are watching or exposing themselves to.

So you trust the government to make better choices than the 'average person' ?

It's not my business what your kids do.

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May 28, 2009 2:26:46 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

who's responsible for all the violins on tv?

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May 28, 2009 2:28:41 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting kingbee,
who's responsible for all the violins on tv?

We demand an answer. Stop stringing us along!

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May 28, 2009 3:08:42 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting gugabalog,
People are not responsible enoguh nowadays to e relied upon to care for what their kids are watching or exposing themselves to.
You do know what governments are currently made up of, right?

 

Politicians are people too.

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May 28, 2009 3:29:08 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

The problem is that common sense stopped being common a long time ago. And the people who lost said sense have started to breed... wait until those children are adults and running the world. You ain't seen nothing yet.

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May 28, 2009 3:35:58 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting gugabalog,
reply 13
People are not responsible enoguh nowadays to e relied upon to care for what their kids are watching or exposing themselves to.
You do know what governments are currently made up of, right?  Politicians are people too.

LOL.

since when have politicians been responsible enough to care for the people they represent?

answer: they dont give a....

to the OP, i agree, but i must say though(i know you know this), the news reports are always filled with rape/killings/stabings/terrorism/drugs. kids see this stuff every day, but its perfectly fine, because its just news isnt it?

 

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May 28, 2009 4:14:48 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting Ryat,
To add even more fuel to the fire, in Germany you (as an inmature child) can see nudetiy but cannot see bloody volience even if you are an adult.

Other countries have similar screwed up moralities imho

This has been a much debated subject and can get very frustrating on all sides

Such blind ignorance is appalling. "Surely, if someone thinks other than myself, he or she is completely wrong, and in the fault morally." You must learn to respect other people's perspective, or you really will just become another of the stupid Americans the world looks down upon.

As to the original post, cartoon violence and videogame violence come down to the same concept. Psychologists have been worried for some time now that videogames are destroying our teenagers' sense of morality, just as they once thought of Rock & Roll, television, the radio, electricity, bycicles, and even the tango. What it ultimately comes down to is whether the person watching cannot seperate social 'scripts' from an artificial source from scripts in a real life situation. That is, if I shoot hookers in GTA, does it mean that will be my approach to life?

Ultimately, in cartoons one is not only a spectator (as opposed to a participant in videogames, this means that if one of them caused a person to be more likely to be violent, it would, in fact, be most likely the game, and seeing as we all play videogames here...) but one has a clearly defined wall between himself and the violence in front of him. Cartoons look nothing like real life, and claim to be nothing like real life. Even a child knows that if he gets a cut, it could take days or weeks to heal, not simply mere seconds. Furthermore, if a parent feels obligated to censor content toward his or her child, he or she may do so freely, without ruining the fun for other parents' children.

 

I was raised on cartoons and have since moved to videogames (as have many of my friends, including one from Japan, land of manga and violent anime), and to this date, none of us have gotten into a serious fight. It isn't the cartoon that's the problem. It's the parenting.

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May 28, 2009 7:46:24 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

I was raised on cartoons and have since moved to videogames (as have many of my friends, including one from Japan, land of manga and violent anime), and to this date, none of us have gotten into a serious fight. It isn't the cartoon that's the problem. It's the parenting.

Very true. I think people overestimate the influence the media and toys have on childrens' development. I grew up playing with Transformers, war games, and Pokemon, and I am not a particularly violent person. Heck, my dream is a world government! My friend, on the other hand, grew up watching Bob the Builder, and he routinely goes hunting with his parents. Of course, my dad served in Vietnam and often told stories about how unpleasant war is (often while playing war games with me!), while my friend's parents raised him as a czrd-carrying member of the NRA. The point, I guess, comes down to the old nature v. nurture debate.

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May 28, 2009 8:07:29 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

my dream is a world government!

oh no!

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May 28, 2009 8:17:57 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

I find it funny to watch some of the cartoons i watched as a kid, has a lot of sexual refrences in them, that only an adult would catch up on. Im sure that the kid version of me saw Johnny Bravo's interest in ladies a lot differently from the way i see his horny boobdrooling today

I wish i could remember which cartoon it was, but i saw some full length movie cartoon once, which had a massive refrence to blowjobs that only adults would pick up on. Its sorta like this picture:


You see it, i see it. All the kids are seeing is DOLPHINS. Look again

Pure, uncorrupted minds..

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May 28, 2009 8:23:34 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

F.C.C, bunch of doodle minded ninnyhammers.

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