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AMD Claims Upcoming Zen CPUs on a Par With Intel

which if true has to be great for consumers

By starkers on May 7, 2015 9:50:39 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums External Link

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Just as the title says, AMD is claiming that its upcoming Zen processor, which will be based on 14nm process tecnology, will compete with the best Intel can produce.  To be honest, I really hope so. 

While my main machine is currently Intel based, I have run several AMD machines over the years and hope the company can again become competitive because I have been happy with its products and would rather see it remain a force in the tech world than fold, as some journalists/tech commentators have suggested it would.  Put simply, the world does not need another monopoly, AMD's survival benefits consumers of both Intel and AMD alike.

Anyway, here's the article..... http://hothardware.com/news/amd-claims-zen-processor-cores-will-compete-with-intel-announces-next-gen-graphics-with-hbm-stacked-memory

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BlackSmokeDMax
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May 7, 2015 10:54:31 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

I'm pulling for them as well, love to see them up each other every round. Been a while since AMD has been at the top.

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May 7, 2015 1:41:45 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting BlackSmokeDMax,
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I'm pulling for them as well, love to see them up each other every round. Been a while since AMD has been at the top.

 Me too, I'd love to see AMD pull it off and produce a super quick CPU that gives Intel a run for its money... not because I'm an AMD fanboi or anything, but because the industry needs another viable CPU manufacturer that can bring back healthy competition and hopefully benefit consumers via better pricing across the board.  A few journalists and other industry watchers would have us believe that AMD is all but down and out, but I've been reading in recent times about various developments in the company, including the change of leadership, etc, and feel there are positives coming from it, with the newa of the new Zen architecture being the best news yet.

Go AMD!

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May 7, 2015 4:14:39 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

It would be really nice for someone to give Intel a reason to push the envelope, if nothing else.  I'm getting tired of being stuck below 4ghz on stock speeds.  If we had 8ghz processors, Sins would run like a dream!

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May 7, 2015 4:50:14 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

But why go above 4ghz when you can go from 4 to SIX cores? That's right! They jumped a motherfucking core. You thought they'd go to 5 after 4, but they went straight to 6!!!

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May 7, 2015 5:16:52 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting psychoak,
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It would be really nice for someone to give Intel a reason to push the envelope, if nothing else.  I'm getting tired of being stuck below 4ghz on stock speeds.  If we had 8ghz processors, Sins would run like a dream!

That's the reason why we need AMD, well part of it, at least.  With AMD viable and producing high speed CPUSs that rival or even better Intel equivelants, Intel is going to step up to the plate and push the boundaries beyond current levels.  Whether you're an AMD or Intel user, having AMD challenge Intel for the crown is a good thing.

I have a CPU from both camps, an i7 4970K from Intel, and a FX 8350 from AMD, both their best units at the time of purchase, and I've been 100% happy with both in terms of performance, stability and reliabilty... though my 4970K will perform better when I upgrade to a Z97 chipped motherboard next week.  Currently it's on a Z87 board, which is slower and does not allow for optimum/peak performance.  However, I've again digressed and steered away from my original thought, which is that I have a great CPU from each company and would like to see them both produce bigger, better more efficient CPUs that clock well beyond 4Ghz, yet are stable and competitive price-wise.

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May 11, 2015 3:59:48 AM from Galactic Civilizations III Forums Galactic Civilizations III Forums

LOL.  Oh, AMD.  You're announcing that your processor that's on the roadmap for 2016 will keep up with Intel, presumably based with what Intel has out now.  Have you learned nothing?

Don't get me wrong, I hope AMD does release something.  But their last attempt to make something keep up with Intel needed 220 watts to do so and still failed at it.

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May 11, 2015 8:09:35 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

I've ran AMD for years and will continue to support them.  I have and old system running an Athlon II 250 processor, 3000 MHZ 2 core.  Good for what I do.

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May 11, 2015 9:08:56 AM from Ashes of the Singularity Forums Ashes of the Singularity Forums

Quoting psychoak,
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It would be really nice for someone to give Intel a reason to push the envelope, if nothing else.  I'm getting tired of being stuck below 4ghz on stock speeds.  If we had 8ghz processors, Sins would run like a dream!

Maybe their only hope is to make the jump to the 300 THz range!

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May 11, 2015 9:43:52 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

They're planning to jump from steam to electricity....

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May 11, 2015 11:37:14 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Jafo,
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They're planning to jump from steam to electricity....

No, they're upgrading from the hamster wheel to nuclear power... with a solar backup.

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May 11, 2015 3:13:21 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

but will it skylake ?
No  

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May 12, 2015 4:19:35 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

What is this skylake of which you speak... and do we have to fear it overflowing from upon high? 

I hope not, cos here it floods downstairs when there's excessive precipitation.

 

Seriously, until both Zen and Skylake are releasded and benchmarked, etc, one should not draw conclusions regarding either.  Given the leadership and engineering staff changes, the architectural rethink, AMD may very well surprise everyone with a CPU that not only competes with Skylake but even surpasses it.  Who knows, while Intel is spouting Skylake to be its most significant processor yet, it may not live up to the hype and be a marketing failure.  I hope not, but anything is possible, right?

As for AMD processors, I have used a number of them over the years and cannot complain about performance, efficiency or stability, etc.  All delivered and met my needs/expectations, and with millions of satisfied users around the world, AMD is not the failure some would like to suggest.  Yes, Intel has been No1 for a long time now, but I don't know that it has been such a good thing from a price-point/consumers point of view.  Hopefully, AMD,s Zen range is the competitive turning point that benefits customers of both companies, both in price and performance.

 

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May 12, 2015 6:45:46 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Well, AMD can't do shit about performance pricing in their current state, but they have been controlling pricing at the low end.  As basically a bargain processor manufacturer, they've prevented Intel from participating in the majority market without charging significantly less for comparable performance than they do for their faster stuff.  The i5 2500k I have is a product of AMD's price points.  It released at just over $200 for a processor as fast as thousand dollar models from the line before.  It had to because AMD dropped the price on their six cores to under $200 and they were almost competitive.

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May 12, 2015 8:47:53 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

yes please

we need competitive AMD otherwise well be stuck with 4-core CPUs from intel in mainstream till eternity...

just consider: 2005 first dual-core CPUs popped up, cca 2007/2008 the quads became mainstream, 2010 i happened to have the luck to buy the first 6-core CPU from Intel...5 years later the best consumer CPU you can buy is 8-core and even that is Extreme Edition (disregarding now AMD´s double-module CPUs as 8-cores)... granted you can only gain from increasing number of cores so much until its starts losing the efficiency, but still...quite a massive drop-off in progress we witnessed in recent years.   

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May 13, 2015 2:46:34 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Well, being a redneck, you know I have an opinion.

 

It is my opinion that AMD is much preferred over Intel hands down, at least in my world.

 

I have 3 AMD 6 core processor rigs and one Intel core i7 rig. All self built, all having SSDs and 12 + GB ram, and similar GFX cards.  I much prefer the AMDs.

 

Intels are good, don't get me wrong. But the gain in performance doesn't match the increase the price. IMO...YMMV

 

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May 13, 2015 4:24:15 AM from Galactic Civilizations III Forums Galactic Civilizations III Forums

Quoting RedneckDude,
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Well, being a redneck, you know I have an opinion.

It is my opinion that AMD is much preferred over Intel hands down, at least in my world.

I have 3 AMD 6 core processor rigs and one Intel core i7 rig. All self built, all having SSDs and 12 + GB ram, and similar GFX cards.  I much prefer the AMDs.

Intels are good, don't get me wrong. But the gain in performance doesn't match the increase the price. IMO...YMMV

There in lies the problem.  Intel is faster, how much depends on processor and usage.  For some economics makes AMD a consideration, but you're hard pressed to run a business based purely on that.  That's why Hyundai and Kia are trying to break into the luxury car market.  More money up there.  In addition, the gap is getting bigger which is going to make more problems in the future.  Right now I can get a 6 Core 5600 series Xeon that walks all over most of AMD's current offerings for $100 on eBay.  That level of disparity only hurts AMD more.  When you reach a point that your competitors 4 generation old equipment off eBay matches your current offerings, that's bad.  Fortunately for AMD, those system's chipsets (X58) were right before SATA 6Gb and USB 3 so there's still a reason to go new.  But that's not the case with the next generation.  Those will match the feature set of AMD's current systems.  AMD needs to figure out their strategy.  If they want to compete with Intel in the enthusiast segment they need to seriously rethink their game plan.  Or they can stick with what they are good at and pray Intel doesn't really try to start fighting them there.

Personally, I just replaced the last of my AMD boards with Intel and don't see myself going back any time soon.

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May 13, 2015 7:06:47 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting RedneckDude,
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Well, being a redneck, you know I have an opinion.

 

It is my opinion that AMD is much preferred over Intel hands down, at least in my world.

 

I have 3 AMD 6 core processor rigs and one Intel core i7 rig. All self built, all having SSDs and 12 + GB ram, and similar GFX cards.  I much prefer the AMDs.

 

Intels are good, don't get me wrong. But the gain in performance doesn't match the increase the price. IMO...YMMV

 

How could we not know you'd have an opinion... on everything from barnyard politics to whether a one should warm their hands before milking the goat.

As for AMD vs Intel, many people opt for AMD because higher Intel pricing does not equate to whatever performance gains there may be.  In fact, I currently have an AMD FX8350 @4.2Ghz that's faster than my Intel i7 4970K... though that may change some once I've upgraded the 4970K.s from a Z87 chip Mobo to a Z97 one.

In any event, AMD's multi-core CPU's have not only been great value for money, they have been strong and reliable performers with more than enough speed for the average user.  So what if Intel's offerings are slightly faster for a somewhat heftier price, who's really going to notice the difference when doing average, day to day things?  Maybe some professionals like graphic artists and software developers would notice a difference here and there, but not so much home users, if they even had the need.  Besides, both my AMD 8-cores, 8150 and 8350, are quite quick and are up for anything I throw at them.

It's all well and good for Intel's fanbois to mock and ridicule AMD's offerings while lauding the efforts of Intel, but AMD had consistently produced quality processors and certainly has a place in the CPU marketplace.  My last CPU may have been an Intel i7, and the build in the works is an i7, but my next could very well be an AMD Zen.

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May 13, 2015 7:56:03 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting XavierMace,
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Personally, I just replaced the last of my AMD boards with Intel and don't see myself going back any time soon.

Never had anything other than Intel....ever since the 8086 and a post that sounded identical to my first mobile...a Motorola 8200 .....oh wait....same chip....

If it ain't broke I don't fix it....

In a quarter century of PC use...I've had one machine keel over and die...from a suspected spike.  Not a fault of Intel...

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May 13, 2015 8:05:18 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting XavierMace,
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In addition, the gap is getting bigger which is going to make more problems in the future.

How can you be so confident when neither company has released their Zen or Skylake offerings?  Both are based on 14nm and AMD has a complete new architecture we have not yet been able to test, so saying the gap is getting bigger is somewhat premature.

Quoting XavierMace,
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AMD needs to figure out their strategy. If they want to compete with Intel in the enthusiast segment they need to seriously rethink their game plan.

Have you not been reading the news lately?  AMD has done exactly that, with a whole new leadership team and engineering department.   Also, as stated before, the AMD chipset has had a complete overhaul and now has a new architecture that will open up performance potential.  And even if what you say is true, that Intel pips AMD the post, but only just, what real difference would that make to the average home user?  Would the slightly faster chip deliver real value for money?  I doubt it, though many would opt for Intel's offering because it will supposedly be better.

However, I am a fanboi of neither company.  I like my AMD FX 8150 and FX 8350 machines, and I like my Intel i7 4970K machine, so I'll remain out with the jury on which has the better processor range until each has been thoroughly appraised by the experts, etc.  And then it will not depend purely on performance alone, but also bang for the buck.

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May 13, 2015 9:01:20 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Jafo,
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If it ain't broke I don't fix it..

So, if something's better. more efficient than that which ain't broke, you don't go for it?

Like wouldn't that defeat the purpose/idea of upgrading?  Building a new machine?

Quoting Jafo,
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In a quarter century of PC use...I've had one machine keel over and die...from a suspected spike. Not a fault of Intel.

Hmmm, yer showing yer age again, Paul.    Being a late bloomer myself, computer-wise, that is, I've only been messing with PCs since about 2003 - 2004, and I've not had a PC keel over and die, either, but because Intel equivelants were more expensive at the time, the switch AMD was more a budget, value for money decision than anything.  In fact, I still have my P4 2.6, with mobo and RAM to suit, and I've had thoughts about rebuilding it for a media server/games box to hook up with my man cave TV, all I need is a spare case to house it.

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May 13, 2015 9:29:09 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting starkers,
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So, if something's better. more efficient than that which ain't broke, you don't go for it?
Like wouldn't that defeat the purpose/idea of upgrading? Building a new machine?

Not at all.  Previous satisfaction with a chosen manufacturer simply directs the replacement/upgrade.  EG... ALL of my generations of 'home-build' have used ASUS Motherboards.  ALL [until the Level 10] have used Lian Li cases. ALL have used Nvidia graphics....again ASUS.  All have used the Microsoft Explorer mouse....[1007]....and I still haven't changed from the Logitech Dinovo Edge Keyboard....

 

I reward good product experiences with brand loyalty...

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May 13, 2015 11:16:33 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Jafo,
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Quoting starkers,
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So, if something's better. more efficient than that which ain't broke, you don't go for it?
Like wouldn't that defeat the purpose/idea of upgrading? Building a new machine?



Not at all.  Previous satisfaction with a chosen manufacturer simply directs the replacement/upgrade.  EG... ALL of my generations of 'home-build' have used ASUS Motherboards.  ALL [until the Level 10] have used Lian Li cases. ALL have used Nvidia graphics....again ASUS.  All have used the Microsoft Explorer mouse....[1007]....and I still haven't changed from the Logitech Dinovo Edge Keyboard....

 

I reward good product experiences with brand loyalty...

Fair enough, there's nothing wrong with loyalty, not at all.  All my mobos were Gigabyte, up until an ASRock board with better/more features was recommended to me at a lower price than its Gigabyte counterpart.  That was for my AMD FX 8150 and it's still going strong.  My next departure from Gigabyte was with an ASUS board for my AMD FX 8350, which also is still going strong.... and my next mobo [still awaiting delivery due to a stock shortage] is an ASRock Z97 Extreme6 for my current Intel machine.  

However, I'm still undecided with regard to the mobo for the i7 6970X, but it could well be the ASRock Z99 Extreme 11 for its expansion potential over the ASUS X99 Rampage V Extreme.... but more on that closer to the day.

Oh yeah, all my GPUs have been Gigabyte, and all were Nvidia except the last I purchased, which is an ATI Radeon HD 7970 and quite a decent card.  So it's not so much that I'm disloyal, but rather that another brand's hardware better suited the need at the time. 

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May 13, 2015 2:05:28 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

The sad thing is that people still believe in the AMD FX 8 core humbug...
DID you see intel do the same thing? No they simply said how it is 4 cores and with hyperthreading can handle 8 threads.

Like they did with 5960X its an 8 core CPU since it only has 8 physical cores but with hyperthreading can handle 16threads still they dont list it as 16 core.
The media claims that AMD ZEn will have 16 cores, meaning 16 physical cores and should handle up to 32 threads hyperthreading.

Guess we will have to wait and see i bet intel will have less consumption what is important for me since my rig runs 24/7.

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May 13, 2015 3:40:49 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

I'm wishing AMD the best of luck in their new chips. If they can match Intel, they might push Intel to improve further. I can then decide on my next upgrade.

I'm not a brand loyalty kind of guy.  I'll go with whatever the flavor of the day is as long as it's value for money. 

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May 13, 2015 4:46:47 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Quoting XavierMace,
reply 16


Quoting RedneckDude,
reply 15

Well, being a redneck, you know I have an opinion.

It is my opinion that AMD is much preferred over Intel hands down, at least in my world.

I have 3 AMD 6 core processor rigs and one Intel core i7 rig. All self built, all having SSDs and 12 + GB ram, and similar GFX cards.  I much prefer the AMDs.

Intels are good, don't get me wrong. But the gain in performance doesn't match the increase the price. IMO...YMMV



There in lies the problem.  Intel is faster, how much depends on processor and usage.  For some economics makes AMD a consideration, but you're hard pressed to run a business based purely on that.  That's why Hyundai and Kia are trying to break into the luxury car market.  More money up there.  In addition, the gap is getting bigger which is going to make more problems in the future.  Right now I can get a 6 Core 5600 series Xeon that walks all over most of AMD's current offerings for $100 on eBay.  That level of disparity only hurts AMD more.  When you reach a point that your competitors 4 generation old equipment off eBay matches your current offerings, that's bad.  Fortunately for AMD, those system's chipsets (X58) were right before SATA 6Gb and USB 3 so there's still a reason to go new.  But that's not the case with the next generation.  Those will match the feature set of AMD's current systems.  AMD needs to figure out their strategy.  If they want to compete with Intel in the enthusiast segment they need to seriously rethink their game plan.  Or they can stick with what they are good at and pray Intel doesn't really try to start fighting them there.

Personally, I just replaced the last of my AMD boards with Intel and don't see myself going back any time soon.

Dafuq? So my precious 980x is worth only 100 bucks these days?  

Anyway, its not just AMD offerings it walks over. For 100 it walks over all current Intel quadcores as well...they are at best equal in performance due to potentially higher frequency and some IPC improvements, but i dont think there is one going just for 100... and what goes the cheapest sixcore for? Still about 500?

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