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HP Brings Back Windows 7

By on January 20, 2014 7:46:20 PM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums External Link

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It seems that HP agrees that the Win8 UI is problematic.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2089403/ouch-hp-brings-windows-7-back-by-popular-demand.html

Sure, MS is rumored to be perhaps thinking about maybe bringing the start button back.  I wonder if this might open their eyes a bit.

 

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January 23, 2014 7:37:13 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting benmanns,
ok
I stand for my post.

 

 

 

-Leaving the thread for fun, games & skinning .......

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January 23, 2014 8:08:55 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

9 is coming out in 2015 ....so MS can distance itself from the mistake they won't publicly concede 8 has been.

It's not a 'mistake' because I say so....it's a mistake because MS says so [under their breath]....

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January 23, 2014 8:41:13 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

I think MS is seeing the whole thing different- like a test
A test that showed that there was a demand for change (number of licenses sold and disks)
So they don´t see it as mistake (since a mistake is defined as a characteristic value that does not meet the prescribed requirements or non-fullfillment of a requirement) while the requirement was reached the first month for MS in sales to cover costs.
Im sure there will be several versions office oldschool and multimedia make sure you pick the right one 
We can be glad that MS isnt EA 
(the video is a parodie its not actually  John Riccitiello)
but it fits in my eyes /At least some got the Startbutton back in MS

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January 23, 2014 10:23:22 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting benmanns,
Only Kona is still confused he sometimes likes it then again he doesnt.

For me it really depends on what hardware I am installing 8 on. I tried on my current hardware, ran like crap compared to 7. And I have never been a big fan of the whole Metro UI. 

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January 23, 2014 12:03:31 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

I was working on a Windows 8 laptop today for a client.  Having the touchscreen on the laptop was nice, but I was trying to address a WiFi issue she was having.  Normally I would go into the saved/preferred network list and alter connection info.  For whatever reason, Microsoft removed the preferred list GUI from Windows 8.  Wtf?  Apparently there is still network info being saved, but you have to alter it using netshell commands.  Again, Wtf?

Hoping this does what I need it to do
http://www.thewindowsclub.com/wifi-profile-manager-windows-8

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January 23, 2014 9:36:32 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting BernieTime,
And I have never been a big fan of the whole Metro UI.

I don't know too many who are, but as I explained to you the other day, there is no need to ever see it unless you want to, and the free start button replacement program I recommended will bypass it for you.

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January 23, 2014 10:37:32 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Not the point Mark. You shouldn't need third party apps to fix functionality in an OS. Besides, 8 runs very slow compared to XP and 7 on my setup. 8 literally is so slow it takes minutes to do anything that takes seconds in 7.

By the way the boot times of 8 aren't as fast as you make them out to be.

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January 23, 2014 11:31:25 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Kona, that's YOUR rig/setup.

 

I have two PCs and a laptop, all run 8 very fast.

 

IF Mark has a UEFI BIOS, AND a UEFI version of Windows 8, he'll get very fast boots, but they are booting from a hybrid state of hibernation, not a full shutdown.

There is all kinds of info on this matter on the web.

 

Unless you make your own UEFI Disc/ISO for windows 8 (also info on the web as to how you do this), OEM PCs are the only ones with this capability.

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January 24, 2014 12:11:14 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Point taken and thank you RedNeckDude.

By the way Starkers, not trying to be rude, but if you are going to such lengths to get around using the Metro UI and making 8 look like 7, then why not just use 7?

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January 24, 2014 12:51:33 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting kona0197,


By the way Starkers, not trying to be rude, but if you are going to such lengths to get around using the Metro UI and making 8 look like 7, then why not just use 7?

 

I can answer that, because 8 is better with resources. It is ugly, but it runs smoother, uses resources better.

I've said this before, but as an example:

I run 5 monitors on a rig dual booted with 7 and 8.1. 2 GFX cards, 16 GB Ram, a six core CPU and two SSDs.

The 7 boot runs Dreams on all 5 monitors very jumpy and draggy. WindowFX only works correctly on 3 monitors hooked to the same gfx card, doesn't work correctly on the other two that are hooked to the second GFX card.

 

The 8.1 boot runs dreams on all 5 monitors fluidly, smooth as a baby's ass.

WindowFX runs correctly on all 5 monitors and on the 32" LCD TV if I want it to.

 

This is only one example of how much better 8 handles resources.

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January 24, 2014 1:17:19 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting RedneckDude,
I can answer that, because 8 is better with resources. It is ugly, but it runs smoother, uses resources better.

As they say, actions speak louder than words. 8 runs like crap on my machine. 7 has NO issues. Care to explain?

I will say this. 8 with all of it's live tiles eats up my internet bandwith.

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January 24, 2014 1:24:43 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting kona0197,
8 runs like crap on my machine. 7 has NO issues. Care to explain?

I can't explain it. 8 should run fine on any rig that'll run 7 well.

 

I would venture to say that you may have gotten a borked install of 8, like I did when I first installed 8.1.

 

I had to reinstall fresh to fix it. Microsoft couldn't explain it to me either.

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January 24, 2014 1:31:04 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

No, no borked install. I downloaded the copy of 8 from the link in my email from Microsoft. Burned at low speed, and verified after burning. I did a clean install. Asking Windows 8 to simply open control panel was like pulling teeth, took over two minutes. Booting 8 took forever, and 8 couldn't even run my wifi card. No drivers. To get the wifi card to work I had to install 7 first then install 8 on top. Still 8 was really slow.So I've done the install of 8 both ways, clean and over 7. Does not matter.

Wifi card runs fine under 7. 7 is nice and fast, never locks up nor takes forever to execute a command.

So I would say 8 isn't for every computer out here.

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January 24, 2014 1:51:58 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

That sounds more like a problem with a piece of hardware/driver. Probably a bad sector in the HDD or a bad memory stick. Because then it's coincidence which one runs best: the win8 install is the unlucky one which is installed incorrectly because of the bad memory, or it's installed on a bad sector.

 

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January 24, 2014 1:57:29 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Your statement is not logical. Windows 7 found no issues with the hard drive or the memory. And I have conducted several scans of the hard drive using multiple tools for bad sectors, it came up clean. The memory came up clean using Memtest.

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January 24, 2014 2:17:48 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Those tests don't mean much. You've got a situation where a windows 7 install works perfectly and a windows 8 install works like crap. They use different parts of memory and HDD, during both install and operation. The logical conclusion is that there's something wrong there even if tests show no problem. My brother had a problem like that once, one version of windows installed fine but a newer version of windows failed to install correctly and he couldn't find the problem, until he replaced a memory stick... that was the source of all misery.

Less likely but also possible: it could also be a crappy driver. Try disconnecting non-vital parts of your computer, like a DVD player, network card, and see if performance improves.

A bad sector isn't the only problem with a failing HDD. A HDD consists of several smaller disks. If one of those is showing signs of wear and there and win8 happens to be installed on that partition (or platter), then win8 will become unpredictable as well.

It's elimination of the probable until only the improbable is left.

 

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January 24, 2014 2:20:05 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

No thanks. I'll just run 7 and leave 8 alone. No worries.

But I'm pretty sure it's not my hardware as both the hard drive and memory are brand new and tested.

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January 24, 2014 2:24:48 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Ok suit yourself. But your win8 problem indicates a problem with your system, if you leave it like that you'll run into problems sooner or later.

 

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January 24, 2014 2:30:13 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

I doubt I will have any issues. On new hardware? The issues you speak of would have shown up on 7 by now. Thank you for your concern, but I'm sure it's OK. 

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January 24, 2014 4:19:06 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Started out with Basic.. Lotus.. then Dos.. 

 

Vista gave me no issues.. ** got it on my first ever "bought" machine**

 

Win 8 seems to work well, no issues so far.  ** came on my recently "bought" machine**..

 

Will not upgrade to win 8.1 as I do not want the "skydrive integrated" baloney..

 

Will prolly stick with 8 till another Os is offered without forcing me to use cloud based computing....

 

 

Thank heaven for S.D. and their customization goodies which make win 8 look and act like Vista "in the essence of having a start button again"..

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January 24, 2014 4:46:39 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting kona0197,

I doubt I will have any issues. On new hardware? The issues you speak of would have shown up on 7 by now. Thank you for your concern, but I'm sure it's OK. 

 

 

It bodes well to realize that even two of the same machines will interact differently with an os or programs.. hand built machines typically more so..

It is not unheard of that an older Os will run better than a newer one..sometimes just the hardware configuration or the hardware it's self can be a determining factor..

 

Is it typical to buy parts with issues or simply ones that don't work at all??  Actually yes.. I have over the years of building machines come across many many instances of broken or sub-par performing parts, right out of the box..

Had a brand new ram stick that messed all kinds of stuff up, "Mind you that it took some time to catch on that there were problems" they were nether obvious nor instant... It held its own during benchmark tests, but after yanking it out of the machine, the problems stopped.

Brand new OEM screen for my sons laptop I replaced recently, wouldn't work with the Dimming/brightness software installed by the MFG..

 

So yes a piece of hardware that "works" can still be not "working properly"...

 

 

Also.. I cant remember who said they didn't like all the windows8 *start menu Apps* hogging up bandwidth or resources.  See here for instructions on how to uninstall them..   uninstall windows8 apps 

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January 24, 2014 5:45:35 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Sometimes I wish... I wish... that computers were equipped with a big fat red self-destruct button. With a dark angry voice counting down to zero... oh the fun of seeing your piece of &(%@ blow up in a big explosion.

But I have only ever seen a tiny whisp of smoke when I ran an old computer of mine without a cooler. The CPU was fried instantly.

Dumb machines... humans are turned on all the time and they never needed a cooler. Although humans do need something to cool off... but they never get fried.

Only chickens get fried and only in Kentucky. Fortunately humans aren't chickens... 

 

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January 24, 2014 6:37:46 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting HG_Eliminator,

Will not upgrade to win 8.1 as I do not want the "skydrive integrated" baloney..

 


You can disable it, when .1 came out i recommended to do so.
Syncing and Skydrive and more can be disabled 2 or 3 ways
1st. can be found under PC settings in the (charmsbar menu where the shutdown is located) there is more much more but we are talking about skydrive.
2nd. you can also force skydrive on spezific folders only...
3rd: FOR ADVANCED USERS ONLY - 
Please if anyone else is reading this and is unsure how to use regedit : DO NOT attempt this on your own.

open cmd/regedit

navigate to "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Skydrive" 
create a new DWORD32 and name it "DisableFileSync"
double klick and insert the value "1"
confirm with ok
close cmd and restart the system
to enable it once again simply delete the created reg file.

If this is to complicated...or you currently are not in the mood to make all these steps:

ENABLE SKYDRIVE

create a reg key on your desktop
insert:
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Skydrive]
"DisableFileSync"=-

save it launch it and restart - it will be enabled

DISABLE SKYDRIVE
create a reg key and insert:
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Skydrive]
"DisableFileSync"=dword:00000001

 
save restart


PS wanted to Spoiler step 3 but its not working 

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January 24, 2014 9:11:34 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

About time.  I bought a machine with 8 on it and took it back after 2 weeks and got my money back.  Had my W7 machine fixed.

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January 24, 2014 11:48:03 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting HG_Eliminator,
It is not unheard of that an older Os will run better than a newer one..sometimes just the hardware configuration or the hardware it's self can be a determining factor..

 

And this is not necessarily indicative of a bad OS.

 

Quoting HG_Eliminator,
Will not upgrade to win 8.1 as I do not want the "skydrive integrated" baloney..

 

Can be turned off easily enough. Yes, what Benmanns said.

 

 

 

 

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