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UB Pro Guide

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By on February 17, 2012 11:30:35 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

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UB Pro Guide

This is a guide for mid to very high skilled ub players who are trying to perfect UB.

 

Preface

The unclean beast is one of the strongest and at the same time most difficult demigods to master on a very high level. Multiple pros agree on that he might even be the hardest. Unclean beast has no escape skills, but a lot of hp. Furthermore, when to commit to a fight, who to focus, when to stun takes thousands of games of experience.

 

Chapter 1

Builds

The most common build order is Banded armor + Scaled helm, Unbreakable boots, Nimoth chest armor, Hauberk of Life and Plenor Battle Crown (sell scaled helm first).

This build order is fine in it's way and will get you through any fight.

However, the starting items can vary with ub.

 

Early Sigil

Banded armor + a Sigil of Vitality is a very interesting start. You can instantly go out and don't have to wait at the shop to accumulate enough gold. This can lead to the first flag grab which leads in a pro game to a small experience advantage.

Problems:

  • It puts you 500 gold behind the enemy if you used it without getting a kill.

  • you have less mana to use, so use it wisely, do not spit the tower

So why even bother with an early sigil?

  • you can risk more and always have the safety of having that sigil

  • it messes with the opponents head, who will never know if you have a sigil or not

  • unexpected early teamganks with ports you can easily escape. They waste 250 gold on a teleport scroll and miss experience waves on the other lanes

My tip is if you go for the early sigil play like you don't have one and it will pay for maintaining flag control. Because few players will play down to 400 hp if they don't have a sigil themselves and if they do they either die or both of you use a sigil and it is a pat.

 

Starting with pots

Other alternatives is going for banded armor + 1 healthpot + 1 mana pot. If you're feeling frisky and want to mix it up to mess with your opponents heads it can get you an early kill or give flag control. On the other hand you do lose 475 gold, and will be 475 gold behind. I call this semi all in build.

 

Boots of Speed

Another one which I call an All in strategy is rushing through the map with Boots of Speed. The person who coined this UB was IamKira. Basically you try to overwhelm your opponents and punish them for any miss micro to get early kills. The speed increase from 6.3 to 6.9 can catch players off-guard and is most powerful for teleport ganks. But use with care, keep in mind you put yourself 1000 gold behind from the standard build with an item slot being used by the boots of speed. If you don't kill you lose flag control, race to the good items, and eventually the game--> all in strategy.

 

 

Scalemail

When to use Scalemail, which gives you +600 armor for only 400 gold. You can start out with banded armor and Scalemail and try to win the early flag fights by just dominating longer autoattacks. Throughout the game, when fights are very close a lot of pros will buy Scalemail as their 3rd or 4th item to get an edge of an advantage in fights. It is very cheap and does a lot and will refund you 320 gold when sold. Overall a very good underused item when everyone is gold hungry and cannot finish their standard builds.

 

Mana Controversy

UB needs 1 mana helm with the Blood of the Fallen Favor. The question is which one of the two: plenor battle crown or vlemish faceguard?

The answer is not simple. It really depends on the playstyle and the demigods you are facing.

 

a ) Plenor Battle Crown: +1575 Mana

+70% Mana per second

b ) Vlemish Faceguard: + 1050 Mana

+11 Mana per second

+4 mana per second aura

 

This is my subjective interpretation which helm to use when:

Use helm a if you are a very aggressive player and try to kill a person every time you are in a fight. The reason is you need all the mana you can get what a high regen helm cannot give you in the seconds of the fight.

 

Use helm b if you are a more passive UB that spits multiple times while staying back, or trying to work towers down. The reason is simple you are trying to do damage over time where a high regen helm works better for you than a high base mana pool.

 

General use of mana with UB. As a professional player you know in advance what you are trying to accomplish. There are 2 major objectives in the beginning of the game with UB.

Do I want to work the tower down or fight the enemy at all costs. Usually I see players trying to do both. The problem is if the enemy does conserve all his mana to fight you and you spit just only 1 time on the tower you will lose flag control and will have to retreat earlier to base → losing experience waves and hp on your own tower.

 

My word of advice: always save your mana for a big fight 1v1 or 2v2. Only spit on the tower when you are planning to go back to base anyways.

 

Infamous Ooze UB

-Start with Banded Armor and Scale mail

-Buy currency 1 for your team so they can focus on getting the Bishops/ High Priests for you

Ooze Ub needs to have them early more than another item because of his insane hp pool, no mana dependency, and high armor!

-Get Nimoth Chest Armor, Duelist's Cuirass, Narmoth Ring, Unbreakable Boots (sell Scale mail), Orb of Defiance, Hauberk of Life (Sell Banded Armor)

You have to vary your buy order depending on how the game is going. If it is a passive farm fest go for the big items. If the game is a fight fest buy the very next heath item you can afford.



Chapter 2

Picking the right favor

 

The most common favors are Blood of the Fallen (Botf), Blade of the Serpent (Bots), and Crimson Vial. Other favors might be viable in 4v4s and 5vs5, but sadly this game is 3v3 based.

 

Blood

If you do not know what favor to pick, you can never be wrong with Botf. No other standard item gives you +800 health and +5 health per second. And with UB you will be very strong from lvl 1. You can push enemies away, yellow cap, tank towers, gain higher monk heals, have higher overall hp with hp flag, and higher hp with sigil.

 

Problems and resolutions:

-You have mana issues all game

Use your mana wisely, and always go back to base to heal it up when you are below half mana, or have a support occulus in your team composition

 

 

Blade

Blade of the Serpent I have only seen played successfully by Soccermom. This favor I recommend only for UB players that want to play out advantages, kill towers, and can manage being pushed around all game. If you make it to end game with this favor and have a healer or shielder on your team it is the strongest UB. However the game can be decided early on very easy since you have almost no presence.

 

Problems and resolutions:

-You have a very low hp base until you completed your build for a very long time

Rush all flat hp items first, do not buy mana items at all ( except Unbreakable Boots), don't ever commit unless you know you will win, try to build in a healer in your composition

 

Vial

Vial UB is getting more popular with the day of the game. It is the most powerful build in most 1v1s. However the more players are in the game the more vial falls off. Just like serpent you will get easily pushed around but have no mana advantage. With this build you are planning to out sustain your opponent in lane. And the real advantage comes when you use it after you sigil. The bigger the map the better this favor choice becomes. And if fights last very long and you are not getting stunned you will last the longest with vial.

 

Problems and resolutions:

-mana issues all game and hp issues

Wear your opponent down so your vial takes advantage eventually. Lategame make the opponent commit to fights, because that's when your build starts paying off. As a general rule 8/10 times use vial after you sigil when laning phase is over.

For more information on the favors and Builds contact:

Orcun, Fairlight_, Mythrandar, Zen_God for Blood

OMG_Soccermom, Koush for Blade

Mcshance, nnnils, ppapanek for Vial

 



Chapter 3

Skill points and Level based Aggression


The Standard UB*

The Surprise UB**

The infamous Ooze UB***

lvl 1 Ooze I

lvl 2 Venom Spit I

lvl 3 save

lvl 4 Venom Spit II + Ooze II

lvl 5 Foul Grasp I

lvl 6 save

lvl 7 Venom Spit III + Ooze III

lvl 8 Diseased Claws

lvl 9 save

lvl 10 Venom Spit IV + Ooze IV

lvl 11 Inner Beast I

lvl 12 Inner Beast II

lvl 13 Inner Beast III

lvl 14 save

lvl 15 Putrid Flow + Acclimation

lvl 16-20 Enhanced Attributes

lvl 1 Venom Spit I

lvl 2 Diseased Claws I

lvl 3 Ooze I

lvl 4 Venom Spit II

lvl 5 Foul Grasp I

lvl 6 Ooze II

lvl 7 Venom Spit III

lvl 8 Ooze III

lvl 9 save

lvl 10 Venom Spit IV + Ooze IV

lvl 11 Inner Beast I

lvl 12 Inner Beast II

lvl 13 Inner Beast III

lvl 14 Post Mortem

lvl 15 Acclimation

lvl 16 Putrid Flow

lvl 17 Foul Grasp III

lvl 18 Plague I

lvl 19 Plague II

lvl 20 Diseased Claws II

lvl 1 Ooze I

lvl 2 Diseased Claws I

lvl 3 Inner Beast I

lvl 4 Ooze II

lvl 5 Foul Grasp I

lvl 6 Inner Beast II

lvl 7 Ooze III

lvl 8 Inner Beast III

lvl 9 Enhanced Attributes I

lvl 10 Ooze IV

lvl 11 Foul Grasp II

lvl 12 Enhanced Attributes II

lvl 13 Enhanced Attributes III

lvl 14 save

lvl 15 Acclimation

+ Foul Grasp III

lvl 16 Bestial Wrath I

lvl 17 Bestial Wrath II

lvl 18 Bestial Wrath III

lvl 19 Bestial Wrath IV

lvl 20 Unrelenting Wraith

 * Instead of skilling Diseased Claws you can max Foul Grasp, which is very powerful on Ooze UB and Blade UB

** DO NOT USE POST MORTEM AND PLAGUE I-II UNTIL THE GAME IS LAG FIXED

*** From lvl 16 to 18 you can max Enhance attributes instead and leave lvl19 and 20  open for your choice of experimentation

 

 

The Standard

 

This is the most played UB on almost all Favor Items. You can't go wrong with this skill tree and can accomplish a lot without relying on teammates.

Early lvls you want to focus on farm and lvls. Once you reach lvl 4 or 5 you can start making a few aggressive plays. At lvl 7 is the next point where you usually have the highest damage output and should make a few aggressive plays. Then you should lvl hard again until lvl 10 and take advantage of your maxed ooze and spit. If the games is still even lvl hard till lvl 15 and become an unstoppable killing machine.

 

Pros

-strong burst damage

-excellent tower killer

 

Cons

-has to shop a lot to keep up with the mana needs

 

The Surprise UB

Don't ever play this UB online, but only in Single Player. The reason is it will lag the game insanely and make it unplayable. I call this the surprise UB because you will catch a lot of opponents off guard with the diseased claws (which slows them for 5%). Furthermore It is hard to calculate the damage that plague does, especially end game with Giants on the field.

 

I don't have enough experience to give advice on lvl based aggression


Pros

-excellent burst and surprise

-best aoe UB

 

Cons

-he will lag the game

-mana issues

 

The infamous Ooze UB

This is the newest and most underplayed skilled tree. Cowbuttzex is the only one that has attempted that build. From my own experience I vary on the skill choices and item build. This UB has high reliance on perfect team play. You need the Bishops/High priests on you at all times of the game. Also this is a “I want to fight UB”. So the composition with your teammates has to be right so that they are ready to fight when you are.

 

Early on you will be this massive tank that is hard to get the hp down, and can surprise kill someone with his slow and higher attack speed/movement speed. Around lvl 10 you will be the fastest and tankiest, who does constant damage. Once you reach lvl 15 nothing can kill you. You can literally sit among 3 people for ages. So the general idea is to absorb damage all game and be at full health with Bishops/High priests. And punish over extension, since you can go anywhere late game without dying.


Pros

-excellent long term team fighter

-excellent tank that wants to take damage nonstop

-gets the most out of his aoe ooze

-never “needs” to shop

-no mana dependency

 

Cons

-he doesn't have a real surprise burst

-very predictable

-useless without coordinated teamplay

For more and different insight on the Ooze UB contact:

Cowbuttzex

 



Chapter 4

How do I become a professional Unclean Beast?

 

This Chapter will be me rambling about my philosophy of how to master anything and what to work on to get there. I used my analytical skills and experiences. If you are easily bored skip this part and go to “Applying these skills on perfecting the Unclean Beast”.

 

What a pro makes a pro

On a competitive plate, there are three main skills one has to accomplish before succeeding against others. Mind Control, Mechanical Perfectionism, and Strategy.

 

Mind Control is the awareness of the moment here and now every second you are living. In other words you are awake and fresh and know what you are doing. Think about when you have an adrenalin rush when something exciting happened. You usually can recall every single moment of what happened and made decisions for every single moment while having that rush. Now Mind Control is not as extreme as having an adrenalin rush. However, it is a practiced awareness of the brain to know exactly what you are doing every moment. This takes years of practice.

 

Mechanical Perfectionism is simply put the experience with the work or game you are performing. You just automatically know what to do in every situation from failures before that and apply the right moves as a result of that. For instance, in a chess game you know you can't do certain chess moves because you will fall into a trap, which you fell for before.

 

Strategy, is in general you mapping what you will be doing in the profession you choose. Nothing you do should be a surprise to you or feel new because you know what methods apply in every circumstance. You start out with a mapped plan that changes over time. Caused by the following Variables: mishaps, unforeseen circumstances, doing better than expected.

For example, in a soccer game you have a set line up and an idea to either go full aggressive or play ball control. This strategy changes over time and can be influenced, if your team has a lot of unfortunate mistakes, it rains or your opponent have a better strategy against your line up, and/or your team is having a lot of good plays and everything is working.

 

 

Applying these skills on perfecting the Unclean Beast

 

Mind control

Every single second of the game you are aware of every single step your Character is doing. You almost visualize yourself making every single move and become the Unclean Beast. When you get to the point where you catch yourself walking in a bad direction for one second or didn't know what you were doing you have almost mastered Mind Control. You could call it active thinking, which will power your brain to its maximum, when you can do that for multiple games in a row.

Examples are, I will start walking straight to mana flag and then to mid flag and back in order to gain flags and creep experience. While sitting on a flag or walking towards a flag you think about other options that are available. For instance, while walking to mid flag you see your opponent capturing the mana flag, you instantly go back to mana flag to yellow cap him ( you deny your opponent the full experience of capturing a flag and gain it yourself ). In other words you never find yourself on the map feeling like you are not doing anything because there are so many options that you weight in importance in just milliseconds.

It is important to remember, you don't act on something because you feel like it, but you act on something because you know from experience you will gain an advantage or succeed with your choice unless the opponent makes an unforeseen move that will usually result in an overall advantage for your team.

 

Mechanical Perfectionism

The truth of mastering your highest skill potential with UB is by playing with him every single day and trying out everything. Your teammates will rage at you and you will lose a lot of games because of your attempts. However, your memory automatically always takes note of what worked and what not. It helps a lot if you actively say it in your mind of what went wrong and what you should have done instead to make it right the next time you find yourself in the same scenario with Unclean Beast.

In order to never die you must have died the most. Also, look for games against stronger players where you know you have no chance in “hell” you can win that game. Save the replays and look what they did that made them so much better than you. And conclude why at some point they have so much more items and map control than you. Step by Step you will increase your overall gameplay immensely.

 

Strategy

You don't have to bother with strategy to become an excellent player. However if you're looking in becoming a professional Unclean Beast player it is impossible without it. You have to know all weaknesses and strengths of all demigods in combination and alone, when which item is the most optimum to purchase, when to push a tower or fight the enemy, and how map control works.

This takes a lot of hard thinking and counting in so many variables that are impossible as a new to mid skilled lvl player.

My word of advice: just because something didn't work out what sounded well in theory does not make it a bad strategy. Usually executing your strategy is where it fails and will take a lot of practice. Start by thinking of things that make perfect sense, and adjust them the more they don't seem to work too well.

(Personal Example, I always used to play vial rook in the demo and thought of it as the most powerful rook being unreliable on teammates. But then I got crushed online in multiplayer. A few years after I played against the same rook I used to play in the demo and realized that my strategy was right and I was just poor in executing it because I lacked mechanical and mind control skills. So I tried a new attempt and it became the most popular build to date on rook)

 

In Conclusion

You have to master Mind Control, Mechanical Skill, and Strategy evenly and combine them in order to have a chance in becoming a professional Unclean Beast and over all player. This does not happen over night, this takes commitment and disciplined practice like with anything else you do in Life you want to succeed in.

 

If you are interested in discussing professional gaming and strategy further contact:

ppapanek

Thundercles

Hedgie

Orcun

Koush

Darkliath

Zen_God

 

 More chapters coming soon...

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February 19, 2012 5:37:04 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

NVM:
What a joke this community is

The palace is falling apart and everyone is abandoning ship... and the few "elite" players that can't see past the fishbowl continue on like everything is fine... while they go play LoL.

Ridiculous

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February 19, 2012 6:55:12 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting LORD-ORION,
What a joke this community is

Hey, community is not that bad. Small, but not bad.

During my plays of demigod I've seen several communities die entirely. There was a group of people playing via Hamachi. No more people there. There was a group of players on Tunngle. Yeah, you guessed right, no more there. A group on Garena. No more there. A group on gameramger. Probably very very few (nearly dead). All went elsewhere and few went here. Communities were not dying because of some certain demigod. They were dying because of bugs, lags, connection problems, the very beginning of demigod (which I haven't experienced). Half or maybe even more of the games have some sort of connection problem. Even with everything flawless, there is a simple in game responding delay. A very good example is sigil fails. When you press to use it, you can hear the sound, yet it doesn't work, but disappears from your inventory. Also potions/scrolls left after death can be taken by more than one demigod at the same time. I think it could be possible to duplicate items in this game like that and simply sell, buy, sell, buy until you have best items (I remember doing something similar in Diablo I game, but that didn't require two or more people).  Ub is a bit related to such problems also. His plague lags the game a lot more. Also when he suicides from ooze... It is incredibly annoying.

I personally just have some mindless fun while playing it and it doesn't require lots of time. Unlike most of the other games I play, which are heavily story related and require brains to work to enjoy them at full potential.

Quoting LORD-ORION,
The palace is falling apart and everyone is abandoning ship... and the few "elite" players that can't see past the fishbowl continue on like everything is fine... while they go play LoL.

I am not an "elite" player, but I still play... Is it wrong to play the game, which I like? Not everything is fine. I'd prefer to play this game with few mods, however can't do that, because community will never get them. So... Yeah, I play it like everything is fine. I also "play" LoL, but I dislike it. Community is beyond ridiculous. You do one mistake and then everyone "report him", "noob", "[censored]", etc. At least you can mute them... On the other hand, LoL matches with my brother against AI are amazing.

I've learned that best to play the games seriously is single player. And best to play games for fun is multi player. If I take single player games as a joke, they are not fun and if I play multi player games seriously, that causes lots of headaches. As I am not into competitive play, that works perfectly for me.

 

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February 19, 2012 7:30:41 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Come on....

Why is UB on the special restricted combination list in tournaments and DA is unrestricted if UB is underpowered and DA is easy to play?

This is what is ridiculous, when shit like this comes out of pro/good players mouths all the while new blood players are quitting when they see how imbalanced the game is.

And it has happened twice now!!!!!!! Once pre Steam and then again recently after.... if the game was remotely balanced people wouldn't be leaving in droves after playing it.

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February 19, 2012 8:07:01 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

It's a forum and you are welcome to post your opinion, but I'd ask you to reconsider 1 of your thoughts, orion.  I honestly think there is no chance in hell that folks would be leaving dg in droves as a result of finding characters imbalanced.  Methinks there might be a few more obvious reasons why the attach rate hasn't stuck extremely high after the launch on steam. 

"This is a guide for mid to very high skilled ub players who are trying to perfect UB."

 

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February 19, 2012 8:35:28 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

People leaving has nothing to do with balance imho lol, and Dark queueing as a group of 5 in LoL fixes that problem ^.^

Edit: This is also one of the best communities I had the honor of being part of.

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February 19, 2012 9:02:10 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting OMG_Shiro,
Edit: This is also one of the best communities I had the honor of being part of.

Couldn't agree more.

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February 19, 2012 9:36:00 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Who really plays UB without ooze? Honestly the AOE damage is the only edge UB has for levelling... wipe minion wave while running through it. . Without it, meh spit run spit run, stop to farm run.... Also remember the debuff on your enemy as well as dps. Perhaps if Zen or nnils were actually willing to play against people they would see an effective ooze UB sometimes.

 

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February 19, 2012 10:10:38 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting Elend_Venture,
Who really plays UB without ooze? Honestly the AOE damage is the only edge UB has for levelling... wipe minion wave while running through it. . Without it, meh spit run spit run, stop to farm run.... Also remember the debuff on your enemy as well as dps. Perhaps if Zen or nnils were actually willing to play against people they would see an effective ooze UB sometimes.

 
Oh i know it's strengths, i will be  posting it soon

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February 19, 2012 10:20:15 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting pacov,
It's a forum and you are welcome to post your opinion, but I'd ask you to reconsider 1 of your thoughts, orion. I honestly think there is no chance in hell that folks would be leaving dg in droves as a result of finding characters imbalanced. Methinks there might be a few more obvious reasons why the attach rate hasn't stuck extremely high after the launch on steam.
tell me one game that is perfectly balanced except pong? I think Demigod did a very good job on their part. Especially if 4v4 and 5v5 would work.

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February 20, 2012 5:27:53 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Chess is perfectly balanced looking forward to the ooze guide I need tips to better my UB..

Actually chess is not entirely balanced... black can have checkmate in 2 moves whilst white cannot...but then white has first move and tho arguably both and advantage and a disadvantage, statistically white wins in tournaments some 52-56% of the time....

Checkers? maybe,,,, again turn based games are hard to determine.

SNAP is balanced (kid's card game) there we go.... now I'm off to play SNAP with my son.

 http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-play-snap 

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February 20, 2012 5:53:22 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

apple bobbing is also balanced.

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February 20, 2012 7:07:00 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting JUSThaveFUN,

Quoting nnnils, reply 22
Quoting JUSThaveFUN, reply 19Nnnils is a very strong mechanical player, he still needs to work on his thinking skills, until he can defeat me He's getting there though in 1v1s. 2v2s and 3v3s will still take a while^^I guess thats what i get for kicking ur ass daily well if you would comment as analytical and thought through as you play in game I might not have that conception of you.

Lol wth?  Nnnils has been easily easily the best demigod player since sometime around May last year.  He was always pretty good then all of the sudden he just became OP.

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February 20, 2012 9:52:25 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting GM-McShane87,

Quoting JUSThaveFUN, reply 23
Quoting nnnils, reply 22
Quoting JUSThaveFUN, reply 19Nnnils is a very strong mechanical player, he still needs to work on his thinking skills, until he can defeat me He's getting there though in 1v1s. 2v2s and 3v3s will still take a while^^I guess thats what i get for kicking ur ass daily well if you would comment as analytical and thought through as you play in game I might not have that conception of you.

Lol wth?  Nnnils has been easily easily the best demigod player since sometime around May last year.  He was always pretty good then all of the sudden he just became OP.
You're probably right, I can't crush him anymore without playing daily like he does, but he crushes me oO At least renzo still beats him up from time to time

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February 20, 2012 12:52:49 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

UPDATED

Added Ooze build in chapter I

Added Chapter 3 "Skill points and Level based Aggression"


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February 20, 2012 1:27:24 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

the real standard ub :

lvl 1 Venom Spit I

lvl 2 Ooze I

lvl 3 save

lvl 4 Venom Spit II + Ooze II

lvl 5 Foul Grasp I

lvl 6 save

lvl 7 Venom Spit III + Ooze III

lvl 8 Inner Beast I

lvl 9 save

lvl 10 Venom Spit IV + Ooze IV

lvl 11 Inner Beast II

lvl 12 Inner Beast III

lvl 13 diseased claws

lvl 14 save

lvl 15 Putrid Flow + Acclimation

lvl 16-20 Enhanced Attributes

 

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February 20, 2012 1:30:10 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

nice chart in "chapter 3"

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February 20, 2012 2:03:29 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting nnnils,
the real standard ub :

lvl 1 Venom Spit I

lvl 2 Ooze I

lvl 3 save

lvl 4 Venom Spit II + Ooze II

lvl 5 Foul Grasp I

lvl 6 save

lvl 7 Venom Spit III + Ooze III

lvl 8 Inner Beast I

lvl 9 save

lvl 10 Venom Spit IV + Ooze IV

lvl 11 Inner Beast II

lvl 12 Inner Beast III

lvl 13 diseased claws

lvl 14 save

lvl 15 Putrid Flow + Acclimation

lvl 16-20 Enhanced Attributes

 

Hmm i really like what you did there. You use the grasp only for the stun effect and save a lot of mana for that spell. That will help that mana hungry beast a lot if you don't go Blade of the Serpent Favor. I will add this variation.

However i think maxing grasp is still very good to secure kills and to regain health.

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February 20, 2012 2:15:19 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting Elend_Venture,
Chess is perfectly balanced looking forward to the ooze guide I need tips to better my UB..

Actually chess is not entirely balanced... black can have checkmate in 2 moves whilst white cannot...but then white has first move and tho arguably both and advantage and a disadvantage, statistically white wins in tournaments some 52-56% of the time....

Checkers? maybe,,,, again turn based games are hard to determine.

SNAP is balanced (kid's card game) there we go.... now I'm off to play SNAP with my son.

 http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-play-snap 

hahahaha lovely video

well that's almost saying the more the game is based on luck the more it is balanced though. I doubt there are professional snap players, but then again they can go crazy with the hand speed lol

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February 20, 2012 2:40:27 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting JUSThaveFUN,
However i think maxing grasp is still very good to secure kills and to regain health.

This sounds like something you've picked up in all those 1 v 1s.  Nnnils is right no standard UB has ever gotten grasp 3, it's like 1500 mana or something real dumb.

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February 20, 2012 3:11:51 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Really, really, really think foul grasp 3 is downright silly... and 2...

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February 20, 2012 4:34:41 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting GM-McShane87,

Quoting JUSThaveFUN, reply 42However i think maxing grasp is still very good to secure kills and to regain health.

This sounds like something you've picked up in all those 1 v 1s.  Nnnils is right no standard UB has ever gotten grasp 3, it's like 1500 mana or something real dumb.
It's 1400. yeah the mana cost is way too high. However, in the midst of the fight it is extremely helpful to get the 600 extra hp in. I guess it's only better for ooze ub and Blade of the Serpent UB. However I would not call it dumb at all. Just a tiny variation from what you guys play that has it pros and cons.

Maybe that's why I always come out ahead in them UB fights shane

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February 20, 2012 4:40:50 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting nnnils,
the real standard ub :

lvl 8 Inner Beast I

lvl 13 diseased claws

 

 

Surely get Diseased Claws at 8?

 

Your keep-up-ability is slight better 3% vs 5% and sure you lose some attack speed, but many mid level fights are 2v2, 2v1 and that 5% helps your teammates keep-up-ability on anyone running. I'm fairly sure it nets more kills and assists. Especially if your teammate knows when to tp.

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February 20, 2012 4:57:33 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting Elend_Venture,
Chess is perfectly balanced looking forward to the ooze guide I need tips to better my UB..

Actually chess is not entirely balanced... black can have checkmate in 2 moves whilst white cannot...but then white has first move and tho arguably both and advantage and a disadvantage, statistically white wins in tournaments some 52-56% of the time....

Checkers? maybe,,,, again turn based games are hard to determine.

SNAP is balanced (kid's card game) there we go.... now I'm off to play SNAP with my son.

 http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-play-snap 

Checkers is IMBA, its algorithm has been solved.

Chess is complicated enough that it has not been solved, but I suspect there will be several "ends" depending on the opening move, and most, if not all, will end in a stalemate. I predict a "perfect game" on any opening will end in a position that requires both sides to repeat the same movement pattern 3 times in order to not give up a loss, and as such that is an auto-stalemate by the current rules.

Regardless, I use to have this same opinion on UB too until I got better and started modding... there are alot of questionable things on him that can be fixed without making him any worse or better at high levels of play...

 

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February 20, 2012 5:00:49 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting LORD-ORION,
NVM:
What a joke this community is

The palace is falling apart and everyone is abandoning ship... and the few "elite" players that can't see past the fishbowl continue on like everything is fine... while they go play LoL.

Ridiculous

 

Lets assume the elite players do see the palace falling apart in their little fishbowl.

 

What should they do, fill the forums with wailing and moans of despair?

 

Or are you perhaps able to suggest a remedy, a few simple steps we can all take that will rebuild the palace and get our fishbowl upgraded to a lake......

 

Its just I'm struggling at the moment to understand the point of your post.

 

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February 20, 2012 5:19:39 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting K_B,


Or are you perhaps able to suggest a remedy

https://forums.demigodthegame.com/407384/get;2977497

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