I think Cow is right. SW 3 is probably still worth getting. I'm not sure why, but this is one of less expected skills in DG. Probably people just don't see it as frequently as, say, Grasp or Boulder Roll... So no idea as to its insane range and, erm, not-so-insane damage potential. Got a bunch of kills on ranged characters with it (yeah, I know it's technically not a nuke...).

This is why I stopped playing QoT.  That, and I don't like NEEDING to be on mana side, which in my opinion is essential to playing QoT effectively in a competitive game.

To lock or not to lock, that is the question!

If you're going to run without locks, you have to have a good reason.  

UB can get away with it because he's so overpowered he is a lock if he's standing on the flag... specially if he's speccing Orb of Defiance.  Demigods with AOE stuns should always have locks on them for defending the double portal rush IMO.  DGs like Sedna and Ice TB can stun, lock, and then survive most 2v1 situations at a friendly portal if they don't have backup for whatever reason. Queen doesn't have the luxury of a mass stun, so her having a lock might be wasted in that situation.

perhaps its best to just ignore certain individuals all together, though, eh.  He's obviously just a younger fellow with a chip on his shoulder that went out of his way to get banned from the forums and stuck with a silly user name and still likely feels like a victim.

Yes, Pacov, I understand being a trash-talker does not make him an international terrorist, a cannibal, a pedophile, etc. Still, in the humble context of DG online, it's extremely unpleasant. Why should I tolerate people that make me feel uncomfortable? Being young is not an excuse for behaving like a total jerk.  

Its nice to level queen but not essential.

Cowbuttzex wisdom rules! It's not like level 15 skills are essential for her. Yes, GoT and Mulch 3 are both very nice, but hardly a necessity. Now, GoT + Bulwark is more than just very nice, it's a de facto permanent 40% dmg reduction in unpacked form -- however, getting Bulwark for QoT is not an overly likely scenario. The principle 'nice, but not essential' is even more relevant in case of more support-oriented QoT builds (say, Cape QoT or Blood QoT with heavier emphasis on BS).

I tried a less than effective cape build as qot in a game today.  granted our team combo was something horrible to attempt this (qot/tower rook/da that was unaggressive).  The downside of a build like this (using cape) is the level of coordination required.  I still think you need a rook that is either primarily hammer slam or tower/slam focused on maxing hammer as a primary.  And you need to communicate well with whoever is with you as you'll likely use them to draw agro while keeping them shielded, etc.  Because of the lower hp on qot with this build, you need to be pretty cautious, which means you really need your teammate to know he can count on shields, etc.  Now, the big downside to this build is that you can't solo as effectively as you could with blood.  I think it would be fun to get a somewhat coordinated game going and try this out, but haven't had the opportunity to give it a go yet.

heh - bang

yeah - I think the main thing to understand is a little trash talking in games really isn't that big a deal.  Might not be desirable, but not really a big deal. I typically don't even pay attention to it.  Its just when we get into the nonsensical harassing players outside of that game, etc.  That's when it enters the realm of "what the fuck is your problem, guy on the internet?" I'm completely on board with the GG and that's that mentality.  But side note, I don't think I've bumped into a situation yet where beating a player that runs their mouth shuts up The only real way is what you described.  Play on their team a bit after putting up with their vomit for a bit.  Most people can be reasonable. 

@Pacov

I tried a less than effective cape build as qot in a game today.  granted our team combo was something horrible to attempt this (qot/tower rook/da that was unaggressive).  The downside of a build like this (using cape) is the level of coordination required.  I still think you need a rook that is either primarily hammer slam or tower/slam focused on maxing hammer as a primary.  And you need to communicate well with whoever is with you as you'll likely use them to draw agro while keeping them shielded, etc.  Because of the lower hp on qot with this build, you need to be pretty cautious, which means you really need your teammate to know he can count on shields, etc.  Now, the big downside to this build is that you can't solo as effectively as you could with blood.  I think it would be fun to get a somewhat coordinated game going and try this out, but haven't had the opportunity to give it a go yet.

Agree with everything here. She's squishy, and she requires a lot of communication to be effective. With no-voice-chat Rooks I just go Blood with a slightly greater emphasis on BS.

@brasher

Hope you do well with it IN1.

Renz liked my QoT, so I guess I'm doing fine. No delusions of grandeur, though

I still wana get in some games with you Sed vs Sed style. We should 1v1 one of these days.

My pleasure, just contact me in-game (either OMG__IN1 [double underscore] - old acc, or OMG_IN1 - a newer one). Your last build made me re-consider some of the principles my old build was based on. FYI, there is also a very good Sedna player Nastyblade. His build is speed-oriented, but surprisingly effective in 3v3. I'm sure he will agree to go 1v1 with you gladly if you catch him online.

PS: I've already told Darkliath her teammates in the tourney were the wrong ones. It should have been: brasher_01, bartek1234, Darkliath. You share the same philosophy

I've never bought an artifact and won a game while playing Queen.  I specifically remember losing a game my team would have certainly won had I not thought "Hmmm... I wonder if Mageslayer would be good with Queen?  We've got this in the bag so mays well try."  To my team mates that game, I'm sorry.

Heres the reasons to never ever go to the artifact shop as Queen:

1) Upgraded Giants/Cats are your best friends when you cast Ground Spikes so you need to spend the money on them first.

2) Non-artifact expensive items such as Hungarling's and Journeyman's are very helpful to Queen and should be bought before you even think about artifacts.  Plus level 4 idol minions are your second bestest friends with Ground Spikes so your late game kit is expensive enough.

So yeah... if you have Giants upgraded to at least a few points in Blacksmith/Armory,  all level 4 idols, Journeyman's and Hungarling's... ok, by all means save up for Bulwark I guess... it goes really well with Goddess of Thorns.

Deathbringer is the best artifact for queen.

Yes I have gotten it before, makes queen a total monster.

Well he wanted to know what artifact is best on queen and giving queen an interrupt is pretty amazing.

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hoping to hear some feedback from recent games where  a rook and a qot team up...