Koush

Muhahahahah, Muhahaha,

if someone plays that gay like u did boxxy....erebus on crucible..batswarm like a little child......u doesent deserve better than getting noobed by oak spirits on your cit....

muhahah aagain...well done thomas  tought that gaybus a lesson in beeing lame.....

this is not an exploit...this is oakpower   oak ftw....i would have done the same with any other erebus that comes up with lame batswarm tactic....only way to defeat such lame erebus tactic.....and crying boxxy was pissed that he cant be the only one with lame tactics....heheh... 

p.s.  if u were aware of that...u would have played oak too and done the same lame shit....at least ur behavior with ur erebus leads me to that thought

and by the way.....an pure minion oak would have eaten up ur cit much faster 

oh that was the massive exploit? lol. Same thing happens on Cataract. Glad you got pwned. 

couple things I noticed.  If I ever see a complete minion oak player, this is automatically what I assume is going to take place.  To counter as erebus, do exactly what you did up until mid game.  But swarming past towers to get valor / gold flag was a waste.  Better to push with your creeps and tear down every tower in the way.  You'll still get valor / gold, but won't waste the time of not destroying towers.  

As soon as he gets 10, he's going to be pushing your citadel.  By this time you should be able to afford giants (if you've been taking out every tower / fort alongside your creeps.  @ 300g per tower, that adds up fast).

Invest in nature's reckoning.  It makes quick work of the minions when all you have going for you is your mass charm.

Basically you were late to noticing what his plan was, and instead of being on top of it (nature's reckoning and a quick port back to base to stop them) you were playing catch up, and you had to buy fs4 instead of giants.

But I agree.. the first time you see a minion Oak, you can definitely be caught off guard.  Definitely caught me the first time as well.  They are beatable tho  I hate playing that sort of game tho.  

Koush! you fool! haha 

So i watched the whole replay, gave me quite a laugh to see you not noticing your citadel falling very late then working your ass off to keep it alive. This is a similar version to prison horn/walker exploit which used to be very common back in the day. you did play well but there were few things i think that could have helped you out.

1- Getting building fire 1(600gold) early game against minion builds to have aoe tower attack. Those archer tower could have lasted a couple minutes longer.*

2-Trebutches destroyes the mid towers without any effort in crucible. It could give you a faster push before he had mad minions. 

3- Nature's reckoning would help you to deal with the spirits at citadel.

4- also if you noticed your citadel falling faster, you could have had enough time to sell and get giants instead of fs2-3-4. Although i understand that you thought you had the game in the pocket and didn't bother at that point.

very well played, these are just things that are easy to say watching the replay, not playing. 

*So i am not hundred percent sure if bf1 only gives more aoe to regular towers or archer towers as well but i always thought it did.

Seems like there wasn't that much to do on your behalf, if you did the things listed above maybe you wouldn't have enough gold to buy troops or maybe you would get enough time get giants which would possibly result for a win because he wouldn't be able to hold giants with that build.

on thomas behalf, very dirty.

gg.

You fools! I wouldn't of done that if he didn't go cloak, since he went cloak and could wrap into my base, anything was fair game.

And it isn't like he's only done it to me, he's done it too renz as well. The point of this video wasn't so much as my tactics, it was a case to do with how easily your citedal can fall due to spirit harassment! Sorry for trying to help, clearly. Also a lot of hate in this thread haha.

Yeah you make some good points Orcun, however I don't see how doing it would of helped me to win, I had to play permanant defense and so I couldn't really do anything offensively, so at best I would of delayed my defeat by a few minutes. For the record too, I wasn't crying, I was just trying to show some people, what they might expect if they fought Oak's in crucible, jeez guys, cry me a river.

kind of surprised this is the first time you've bumped into a minion oak tearing down a citadel.  I don't really consider jumping across the gap or spamming a citadel with spirits "exploits"... neither move can be countered by experienced players?  Many players disagree on it being an exploit though. 

sry ...but i disagree..that has nothing to do with grow up....

u cant compare cloak of night with batswarm...really not

Yeah you are right, one takes mana on use, the other doesn't. But no matter how much you just want to pin blame solely on a vamp, acknowledge that any general can move around in Crucible, and he did for a fact go cloak. So please tell me, how does it differ?

It doesn't matter if I went oak or vamp or oculus (Oculus does have a swarm too so I guess you hate him just as much), any general can do what vamp and oculus do. I still maintain that Oak is the dirtiest due to his safety card.

Also Rawrr, the thing that put me off his pure minion build, was since he got shield, pure minion types don't tend to do that lol. Threw me off. Also, even with natures, hitting those damn spirits is hard lol, they keep circling around the cit, and the god doesn't have that great of a following system, but thanks for the advice.

I don't understand all the hate in this thread lol

@hedgie

Wow, well than bf upg is just stupid. I didn't know this was the case for so long time, we used to buy bf for sure when we played as ivor/posidenii/me. I think the upg should work the way i thought. it should buff the aoe of archer tower 10%. which would help against minions and would help somewhat to hold troops. thx for enlightening hedgie.

@koush

Man, i just wrote possible alternative shit that could have worked. Not blaming you or anything, this would be really hard to counter and it really depends on thomas faults. if he played it better, he wouldn't give you any kills and then that can be a sure win. On the other hand couple more kills and you get giants more earlier than it's sure loss. So it is just one of those cheap 1v1 tactics. I know you aren't "crying" about it,it's more like you are just sharing .

@microstar

Wouw man, what did koush do to you? where does all this hatred come from?

+1 for hedgie.  I'm glad you fellas take the time to look through the code and explain the "not necessarily logical" or intuitive stuff.  I was agreeing with orcun re: tower upgrade until you jumped in.  If you or any of the uberfix guys get bored and want to share things you find in the code, that would be great.... I remember awhile back someone found that one of the gauntlets had hidden 5% speed increase which i use anytime i do a damage build early game now.  Anyway, +1 and thanks for chiming in.

...ok...u all think i was to rude to boxxy....sry then...just had a great laugh about that own goal with this thread...

@shiro-sol

u dare to comment with a faked quote....this is wyrmish...

An exploit because you lost? LOL hardly so. I don't see the other guy coming here claiming it's an exploit to bat swarm from the middle to the enemy base, grab the portal flag, and then bat swarm back again.

Perfectly valid strategy. You lost because you got cocky and didn't pay attention to your own citadel until it was far too late.