Quoting Kodiak888, reply 33
No. 1 : EULA are not gaming specific, therefore trying to specify a gaming company is completely unnecessary. EULA are attached to software licenses, amongst other things.
No. 2 : EULA are not promises, they are very likely contracts that won't hold water in court. We're not talking hype here or forum promice, we're talking about the legal documents attached to these licenses which are very likely not going to hold up in court.
No. 3: Did you drink too much eggnogg or did you even bother to look at what we are talking about?
If you give Steam 60 USD dollars and steam says screw you, you aren't getting anything for that 60 dollars, and if you tell your credit card company you're having a problem with us, we're going to ban you from your account and all your games. Yeah, there is an legal issue with that.
If a company like Steam goes down and takes all their games with it, it's not really am if but a when, there will probably be some serious questions about the viability of that business model and some legal questions as well. You might want to snort and roll your eyes and pretend like the only people asking these questions are a handful of people on forums, but you're not being realistic if you do. Consumer rights when it comes to software licenses is not a simple or even a small issue, it's been building for years. Most the legal systems are still several steps behind in dealing with digital content.
No. 1 - Thank you for enlightening me with a very obvious and uneeded explanation that EULAs are not gaming specific. This thread, and what I was specifically refering to were Impulse and Steam, or Stardock and Valve, and you loosing your games because of them. Or if I may quote you, "Did you drink too much eggnogg or did you even bother to look at what [I was] talking about?"
No 2. In the EULA's it is stated that the companies are not responsible for being nice to you in any way shape or form. Including letting you play your licensed games at a later date. Even if you Cochran'd your side and destroyed the EULA in court, when everyone was finished laughing, they'd probly let you know that you live in a Buyer Beware Market. You know the risks you run when you buy a game. The company is under no obligation that it be updated, patched, or anything more than remotely playable. Gothic 3 is a great example of a game that only works 20% of the time and it just sucks to be you if you're not in the minority. Hellgate London was another bombshell.
No 3. Replying in a point for point way comes off as derogatory, even if it's not meant to be. I don't know if you weren't quite paying attention or understanding that my sarcastic remarks have a deeper meaning than their intended light hearted nature, but we're actually arguing for and wanting the same thing from the Industry. I'm just aware that we're walking around with FUBAR stamped on our heads when standing up the software giants. I'm not on Steam's side, I am however aware of the limitations of possible recourse measures. They're few and I hope they change, but as of now you're better off playing a board game for secured replayability.
If you give steam $700 for l4d3 CE, where everyone online sees that your avatar gets to wear the regal purple shoes instead of the filthy commoner red shoes, and they fail to deliver the game then that's unfortunate. Sometimes the system doesn't work. When you contact Steam and they realize their mistake and give you the game then all is well. When you tell them that you already bought the game, they should ask you why you bought two copies, and that you now pointlessly own two liscenses of the game. You're not entitled to anything different, and they have no obligation to do any different. If they're nice, they'll give a refund, but you're hoping on their good fortune. Sorry. You didn't check a little box that says "I agree to purchase this game, unless my friend happens to buy it first, in which case you owe me my money back and a pony. A pretty pretty pony with a long pretty mane." It definately sucks, but replace this whole scenario with one involving cars instead of video games. The law isn't on your side, and wouldn't be in this scenario even after a need reform of user's rights.
About the perma-banning - If you issue a stop-payment to any company, expect to get black listed. They never said, if you don't pay us we're going to burn your house down and replace your badass dog with a shaved cat with an allergy problem. If you're so unhappy with them that you're willing to go to a third party to exact revenge, then they don't care about your business anymore. There doesn't need to be a threat, that is common sense. My posts thus far have been explaining that when this unfortunate temper tantrum is over, you're stuck without any of your games and all of your money is lost, except maybe that last $50. There is no legal issue with any of that currently, not even almost. Don't get me wrong, there should be, but there is none because of the EULA. If the EULA system is ever taken into consideration (in court or otherwise) and refined into something better, the effects won't be retroactive. That is why I don't use Steam or Impulse unless there is no other feasible option, and will continue to not do so until things change. Vote with your wallets, don't cry about how unfair it is while standing in line for HL2: Episode 6.
I'm not rolling my eyes or snorting at the issue, which I am fully aware is much larger than a few of us ne'er do wells measuring "e-peen" sizes in forum arguments. I am rolling my eyes at the notion that there is any form of redaction at the moment, or that one should expected with today's system. If you agree to a contract, no matter how flimsy, then you've signed your rights away. When the needed changes are made to the system for consumer rights, it'll be great day for us all. Until then, lube up if you wanna buck up, because they're bigger, badder, and have all the cool guns.
- sarcasm aside. We agree on almost everything here, so I'm not sure the need to argue any further about something we essentially agree on. So I'll apologize in advance if my sarcasm and methods of reinforcing my opinions in the way the objections were given to me came off as anything more than a light hearted jest. Expecting something you agreed to not expect is silly imo. There should be, and needs to be a better system in place, but until then it's still an agreement.