Magnus Rod needs to be reduced in cost to 2750.

Hungarlings should either be reduced in cost to 5000, or it should have its mana base increased to 1800 and its MPS set to +19. Heck, do both. It's 5000 friggin gold pieces.

Ironwalkers and Desperate Boots need to be changed. I'm not sure how.

Favor items:

Symbol of Purity should probably give 450 health and should make user immune to negative effects (besides stuns) for 5 seconds.

Samaael's Cloak should make user immune to speed debuffs (0% cap on speed reduction) and should add a 10% speed bonus.

Essence of Magic should probably be made a General's favor item, and it should have the buff duration increased from 3 seconds to 5 seconds. It should also give 7 MPS and 800 mana.

Brilliant Bauble should give 20% XP and 250 HP.

Diamond Pendant should give 450 HP.

Blood of the Fallen should have its HP buff reduced to 700.

Staff of the Warmage needs to do something unique. Perhaps it should increase attack speed on use or reset cooldowns. Either that or turn it into a legit mana item, such as giving +10 MPS.

Cape of Plentiful Mana should increase a DG's MPS to +15 MPS if the DG's MPS is less than 15.

How about making Tome of Endurance give invisibility on use for 3 seconds? 35 second cooldown.

Dark Crimson Vial should have cast time reduced to 0.5 seconds.

i think we should discuss that in the demigod chat channel. dunno if the people are civilized enough but we could try

@Golgoth, yeah do that and let me abuse the fuck out of plamtemail and AoV=D. Srsly... are you nuts? 1000 armor 400 health and they ability to completley destroy minions?

Truthfully I agree with everything he said except the armor of vengance and platemail of crusader. Everything else is perfect. Groffling warplate needs to be something like 4500 gold though going by his standards and then add some to the damage items.  AoV and platemail do become very powerful if these go into place.

And morpheas what would go a long way to balance is to have some ability cooldown reduction items. Something like 2 or 3 items that give -15% ability cooldown. Preferably one that takes an equip slot and one thats a consumable slot with some side bonus. Also one could be 1k gold or something cheap so it may go in with a strategy and another could be something like 5k so it's an investment to keep lowering it.

Yeah after looking at my armour modifications they might need to be changed. But its difficult to modify the price of the armour without making it daftly insane. Mind you a simple no I dont agree would have been nicer dickhead ^^

Going to try balance Boots here now
-Boots-
Footmans Sadans: Increase to 300 health. Lose mana bonus and give 300 armour bonus instead (Might need to be adjusted)
Boots of Speed: Unchanged
Unbreakable boots: Reduce mana from 800 to 700
Assassins Footgaurds: Increase Attack Speed to 15%. Give speed bonus of 5% (Again might need changed)
Ironwalkers: Lose the minion stats. Gives 1000 armour straight off. Whenever movement speed goes below starting speed all damage is decreased by 25% (Dunno if this buff would make it worth the price)
Desperate Treads: Increase health from 400 to 600. Mana from 350 to 600. Increase dodge by 20%. Add Movement speed bonus of 10% (Now worth the 4000 gold price tag)
Journeymens Treads: Increase health to 450 and give armour bonus of 200. Increase chance to 15%. Reduce price to 6250

Trinkets are going to be harder but straight off I would like Ring of Ancients to give 600 armour instead of 400. And decrease the price of Warlords Punisher to 1750

I see some nice suggestions here.

But in order to proceed in starting to implement changes for balance, i need to be sure about everything. And items are tricky, because unlike favor items, the price makes it difficult to find the right balance.

Keep posting people! Give me more tips and suggestions.

Actually after seconds thoughts keep Journeymen treads at 5% chance but change the other things

You can't balance items in a vacuum. If you nerf Vlemish you nerf mana regen, which means you buff HP because people have less mana with which to deal damage.

When you nerf HP you reduce fight time, which buffs some DGs and nerfs others. When you buff DPS items you reduce total player health without even needing to nerf HP because each DPS item a character has takes the place of an HP item.

OH god Obscnenitor. Thank you for your totally irrelevant wisdom.

We talked about this already, we aren't making random changes "in vacuum". Also reread my post about mana items: "rebuild from the ground up""because mana is such an delicate game mechanic". Where in that sentence do you read I want to randomly change items without any thought about metabalance?

I discounted your "rebuild from the ground up" statement because I don't see why you want to reinvent the wheel, not to mention it would break TB and QoT.

For example, what's the point in rebuilding mana regen?

Here's a direct quote to illustrate my point:

Can I suggest that we start a wiki page on demigod wiki:

http://demigod.wikia.com/wiki/BALANCING_MOD_-_ITEMS

That way we have a way of keeping a current list of what is in the mod and everyone can make modifications to the accepted 'concensus'.  THe forums don't really lend themselves well to 'concensus'.

Thoughts?

Cheers,
ThanatosESC