Playgroundlegend's I'm so salty that he beat me thread

No offense, but ooze beast is nothing new.

More beastial wrath builds plz.

This build get's raped hard all day every day by a spit/ooze UB. I've tried it but it doesn't hold up in competitive 3v3 matches against other UBs. It sacrifices too much damage output for the sake of a small HP boost and speed buffs/debuffs.

More beastial wrath builds plz.

Im just gonna post my idea here about BW and hopefully the community can provide more feedback on this. If Im not wrong, the only reason why this skill is skiped is because of the animation and cast time, the mana cost is almost identical to spit. Yet, spit doesnt scale well compared to bestial wrath which scales incredibly well late game.

Suppose you're playin with erebus and oak in your team, imho I think they have the best skills that synergize with BW which are obviously bite (armor reduction + SLOW) and penitence (increase dmg taken + SLOW). So I don't understand why good coordinated teams do not use this opportunity to skill BW. here's a quick senario, beast grasp enemy DG and immediatly cast BW, at the same time bite and/or penitence from LE and/or Oak, now how can the enemy escape this???? 5 (10 at max) seconds would be enough to kill ANY DG with this combination. The only counter to this I see is if the target got shielded III from ally Oak and TP out, other wise, its certain death even with sedena heals or QoT shields.

I don't want to throw any calculations (I don't know how to do that) but pretty sure this will generate more damage than if BW was replace by spit. (don't forget that BW can also be combined with Ooze)

any comments??

Quoting Janook,

reply 4

This build get's raped hard all day every day by a spit/ooze UB. I've tried it but it doesn't hold up in competitive 3v3 matches against other UBs. It sacrifices too much damage output for the sake of a small HP boost and speed buffs/debuffs.

This is very much the truth. You give up a 1650 damage spit at level 10... for 10% movement and attack speed. And you have maybe 800 more health. 800 More health isn't as good as 1650 spit damage.

Quoting Zechnophobe,

reply 6

Quoting Janook, reply 4This build get's raped hard all day every day by a spit/ooze UB. I've tried it but it doesn't hold up in competitive 3v3 matches against other UBs. It sacrifices too much damage output for the sake of a small HP boost and speed buffs/debuffs.

This is very much the truth. You give up a 1650 damage spit at level 10... for 10% movement and attack speed. And you have maybe 800 more health. 800 More health isn't as good as 1650 spit damage.

...sigh I was expecting this

I don't lose to this build

have beaten orcun_bl's spit beast

kalel's spit beast

kira's spit beast

rawr's spit beast

it's the race to acclimation. You are weak early. Then strong later. You level quickly because of boots of speed. You cap flags like ea maniac and ooze through creep waves.

Later on in the game the other beast needs 1-2 mana helms. Thats where i put my groffling warplate and boots of speed

I end up with 9k hp standard, then over 12k with sigil

Move speed out the ass

and acclimation is dumb

Spit does damage over time, this gives me 10 seconds to run away and get to the crystal. I always have mana for grasp, and if an ally gives me a priest I have no reason to go back to the citadel ever.

WATCH THE REPLAYS FOR CHRISTS SAKE. me raping top players with 1 hand tied behind my back because I have ooze and acclimation and 2 extra spots for more armor / speed.

here's a story about a guy named pantz. Played a 3v3 with a oak, regulus, erebus. pantz went beast on the other team. he got level 20, i was level 20 oak, my allies are at 18.

We have giants, pantz tries to take our portal flag, we 3v1 him at the portal while our giants are smacking him in the face, he fought us off. a 3v1. with giants. he made us run. he came to recap with only half hp, he went to run away, popped a sigil and wand of speed. we were hitting him from our portal allllllllllllllllllllllllllllll the way back to his base, penitence, bite, charm, surge, mines, maim, snipe. NOTHING, dude lived.

I'm not putting my strats up online for advice, or to get opinions. i already know they work because I own everyone in this game for free. Not a premade I haven't beaten, not a premade my premade's lost to. I'm putting this stuff up here so the guys who still play this game can read the strat, understand it, then watch a replay of it to have it make sense to them, and replicate it themselves so they can put up a fight against the top players.

I already know this owns top players, because.... I owned them.

Pure Ooze can work in team games, but in 1v1 you will get raped vs Hybrid UB. You will be stronger late game, the problem is you won't get there. Ooze has a early health advantage over Hybrid. However a BotS Hybrid's damage output is far beyond pure Ooze before Level < 12.

I'll watch the replays later for more comments.

Anyway, you can't let Ooze UB become > Level 15, or you are done.

This build is only about 3 choices better than the guide written in May:

Ooze: An Unclean Beast Guide

The guide has more comprehensive backgound info but your build appears to be better than this one. Its a good update but nothing that was not already known if you read the whole thread.

Early Boots of speed is the only interesting choice here which sounds like its a good choice under the current meta/ballance.

Hm, I didn't realize that Ooze UB was playable, but I'll take your word for it, since you've obviously made it work. I would imagine that this build would be devastating with a Sedna on your team that has High Priests and HW II.The healing would be insane. I *loved* in the replay how you capped flags incredibly fast. I hadn't thought of that one before.

Also, I'm not sure what all of those hybrid UB builds you have beaten were, but I am pretty sure that Kira's build is not optimal for hybrid UB. BotF is crap for hybrids. It has no persistent mana spam at level 10, and it has to sacrifice gearslots to be able to spit. I looked at the first replay link you posted, and that hybrid UB couldn't spam mana because he didn't have BotS. It's like spending 4 points in something you can use only half of the time that you need it. That's crap. Your build did an excellent job at taking advantage of his half-assed effort at spit.

Also, at level 15 with my build, I get putrid flow and Bestial Wrath 5. I can't be slowed, my spit has an additional 500 AoE damage, and my weapon damage is increased by 65% for 10 whole friggin seconds. I'm pretty sure all of my abilities would fall under the acclimation cap. Just out of curiousity, has anyone ever tried this type of hybrid against you? I'd figure you've played enough to have seen something similar. If so, were you able to beat it?

P.S. It's ok if someone posts an Ooze build, guys. Cmon, he's just showing us a new playstyle for UB.

Quoting Izuz,

reply 5

More beastial wrath builds plz.
Im just gonna post my idea here about BW and hopefully the community can provide more feedback on this. If Im not wrong, the only reason why this skill is skiped is because of the animation and cast time, the mana cost is almost identical to spit. Yet, spit doesnt scale well compared to bestial wrath which scales incredibly well late game.

Suppose you're playin with erebus and oak in your team, imho I think they have the best skills that synergize with BW which are obviously bite (armor reduction + SLOW) and penitence (increase dmg taken + SLOW). So I don't understand why good coordinated teams do not use this opportunity to skill BW. here's a quick senario, beast grasp enemy DG and immediatly cast BW, at the same time bite and/or penitence from LE and/or Oak, now how can the enemy escape this???? 5 (10 at max) seconds would be enough to kill ANY DG with this combination. The only counter to this I see is if the target got shielded III from ally Oak and TP out, other wise, its certain death even with sedena heals or QoT shields.

I don't want to throw any calculations (I don't know how to do that) but pretty sure this will generate more damage than if BW was replace by spit. (don't forget that BW can also be combined with Ooze)

any comments??

Try it out in the field, broooo! Post the rep!

Quoting Epiphenomenon,

reply 10

Hm, I didn't realize that Ooze UB was playable, but I'll take your word for it, since you've obviously made it work. I would imagine that this build would be devastating with a Sedna on your team that has High Priests and HW II.The healing would be insane. I *loved* in the replay how you capped flags incredibly fast. I hadn't thought of that one before.

Also, I'm not sure what all of those hybrid UB builds you have beaten were, but I am pretty sure that Kira's build is not optimal for hybrid UB. BotF is crap for hybrids. It has no persistent mana spam at level 10, and it has to sacrifice gearslots to be able to spit. I looked at the first replay link you posted, and that hybrid UB couldn't spam mana because he didn't have BotS. It's like spending 4 points in something you can use only half of the time that you need it. That's crap. Your build did an excellent job at taking advantage of his half-assed effort at spit.

Also, at level 15 with my build, I get putrid flow and Bestial Wrath 5. I can't be slowed, my spit has an additional 500 AoE damage, and my weapon damage is increased by 65% for 10 whole friggin seconds. I'm pretty sure all of my abilities would fall under the acclimation cap. Just out of curiousity, has anyone ever tried this type of hybrid against you? I'd figure you've played enough to have seen something similar. If so, were you able to beat it?

P.S. It's ok if someone posts an Ooze build, guys. Cmon, he's just showing us a new playstyle for UB.

Your abilities may fall under the acclimation cap, but in the huge number of situations that are not exclusively 1 v 1 beast on beast, acclimation is amazing. Admittedly I haven't played vs a good beastial wrath build, but it's something I've always been curious about. Or even trying myself! BotS 4 lyfe! I have my doubts, though. I'll use it on n00bs in a nasty pre-vs-pug, my favorite matchup!

Bestial Wrath cost alot of mana, and the cast is very obvious. It does get nasty if you cant avoid it though, which is the case late game. You need to spend 5 points for this.

haha thats funny... this is exactly my old good times ub build i played long time ago. except for the post mrotem and probalby the items (didn't looked at them).

Quoting Izuz,
reply 5

More beastial wrath builds plz.
Im just gonna post my idea here about BW and hopefully the community can provide more feedback on this. If Im not wrong, the only reason why this skill is skiped is because of the animation and cast time, the mana cost is almost identical to spit. Yet, spit doesnt scale well compared to bestial wrath which scales incredibly well late game.

Suppose you're playin with erebus and oak in your team, imho I think they have the best skills that synergize with BW which are obviously bite (armor reduction + SLOW) and penitence (increase dmg taken + SLOW). So I don't understand why good coordinated teams do not use this opportunity to skill BW. here's a quick senario, beast grasp enemy DG and immediatly cast BW, at the same time bite and/or penitence from LE and/or Oak, now how can the enemy escape this???? 5 (10 at max) seconds would be enough to kill ANY DG with this combination. The only counter to this I see is if the target got shielded III from ally Oak and TP out, other wise, its certain death even with sedena heals or QoT shields.

I don't want to throw any calculations (I don't know how to do that) but pretty sure this will generate more damage than if BW was replace by spit. (don't forget that BW can also be combined with Ooze)

any comments??

Try it out in the field, broooo! Post the rep!

I would like to, but I don't have a premade or a group of ppl I play with enough. So here is my invite, if there are an Oak and LE players who want to this out with me, pm me ingame.

Nice build! Hope I can play with you guys soon

I just installed the ready to play beta. Hit me up on that, I'm kinda over sitting in the lobby of the game trying to find games. Takes hours

Quoting ntropy,

reply 13

Bestial Wrath cost alot of mana, and the cast is very obvious. It does get nasty if you cant avoid it though, which is the case late game. You need to spend 5 points for this.

yes i think it should be fixed into ooze-like skill. click and you are using and click again, and you disarm it

Quoting TB_MasteR,

reply 18

Quoting ntropy, reply 13Bestial Wrath cost alot of mana, and the cast is very obvious. It does get nasty if you cant avoid it though, which is the case late game. You need to spend 5 points for this.

yes i think it should be fixed into ooze-like skill. click and you are using and click again, and you disarm it

Bestial wrath might not be bad just to get 1 point in it at later levels. You know at some point your team will be fighting 3v3 at a portal or some other point of interest where it is do or die. And by that I mean if you flee, you give up the point of interest and lose the game. Forcing your team to stay and fight till the last man standing wins.

Quoting playgroundlegend,

reply 19

Quoting TB_MasteR,
reply 18

Quoting ntropy, reply 13Bestial Wrath cost alot of mana, and the cast is very obvious. It does get nasty if you cant avoid it though, which is the case late game. You need to spend 5 points for this.

yes i think it should be fixed into ooze-like skill. click and you are using and click again, and you disarm it

Bestial wrath might not be bad just to get 1 point in it at later levels. You know at some point your team will be fighting 3v3 at a portal or some other point of interest where it is do or die. And by that I mean if you flee, you give up the point of interest and lose the game. Forcing your team to stay and fight till the last man standing wins.

coming from someone that plays ooze UB it is very very good, and one point in BW pretty much makes you a tower wrecking machine

no spit, no dmg, bad.

Quoting SocialistRyan,

reply 21

no spit, no dmg, bad.

Hey Ryan, remember the game where you lost, then disconnect hacked, and I put the screen shot up on the forums? Go look at the picture and tell me what my skill set is. Who won that match? If it's so bad, then how come you didn't kill me once and I farmed you like an AI?

I beat it

Playground, i can play against your ooze ub anytime. Ooze will have no chance against hybrid man. I am sorry but that's the case.Let me know when you are online and we do a 1w1, you can pick the map.

Quoting Orcun_BL,

reply 24

Playground, i can play against your ooze ub anytime. Ooze will have no chance against hybrid man. I am sorry but that's the case.Let me know when you are online and we do a 1w1, you can pick the map.

You're right. 1v1 hybrid wins, 3v3 not so much. The build is for 3v3. I'll edit the OP and let people know.

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