i for one think its not lol.

Don't forget circle has aoe and can't be debuffed (with heal 3). But I still think spit is better.

All depends on where you are coming form. Compare Fireball to Spit instead, as they are both much similar nukes.

Fireball: Greater Range, Deals 1.94 damage per mana spent. 1050 damage every 7 seconds. 1 second cast time

Spit: Less Range than fireball, deals 1.73 damage per mana, assuming no counter effect. .3 second cast time

As most TB players know, fireball is an amazingly good harassment tool, since you can Just.Keep.Casting.It. Spit is nice for a while, but a good UB drives people off with ooze, not spit (late game, at level 10 where we are talking about). Spit is just there so Beast doesn't always have to run around trying to get to melee.

Another point to consider: Tb has a ranged attack, UB doesn't.

ubs spit at end adds more dps.

i compared those 2 skills coz they r the most similar when dishing out dmg by that i mean they are both DoT and do their dmg over 10 secs. The reason why i think its unfair, is that u have to wait for someone to come in range with tb for them to be affected by circle of fire, whereas a ub can spit then just run away (good for flee'ers also, but you may say this about fireball however im not talking about fireball atm).

im not complaing that Spit is too strong, coz i think its fine the way it is, but i think circle of fire is a tad too weak for how it works.
IMO, I think circle of fire should dish out 1800 dmg over 10 secs.

UB's Spit - 1500 dot dmg over 10 secs. 1500 dmg guaranteed! unless, theres a sedna or oak or symbol of purity to remove it. Can be used on structures. Not good minion farm (but ooze and plague is for that, much more effective that circle of fire).
0.3 secs cast time. Fairly good range.

TBs Fireball - 1050 dmg after 1.5 sec casttime, medium cooldown, really good damage for mana, no way to avoid but interupt.

Regulus Snipe - 1000 dmg after 3 sec cast, long range, long cooldown , no way to avoid but interupt.

Looks quite ballanced imo.

I don't see why you'd ever compare a single target DoT to an area denial skill. Nevermind that the dot can easily be removed by 3 of the 8 demigods in the game. The skills aren't used the same.

well ... if you put a ub and tb in a 1v1 situation, of course UB is gonna win and to a certain extent thats the way it should be. But TB should at least have a fair chance at altering that outcome.

Say they are both lvl 20 and you have a full fire build (circle of fire, fireball, firenova, fire aura) against an ooze/spit/dps UB build.
And the situation is (just for arguments sake)...

- neither character flees, and they are in melee range
- no stat upgrade (max health/regen etc) equips etc.
- ignoring regenerative effects
- no consumables
- no team mates (seeing that its a 1v1)
- calculating dmg dealt within a 10 sec time frame

TB - 3500 Health
- uses 1 circle of fire, 1 fire nova then 1 fireball and 5-7 auto attacks (Damage, 299 - 331 (314.8)).

Total dmg output (roughly) =  1500 + 800 + 1050 + 1884 = 5734 dmg (added 500 dmg for ooze health loss) over 10 secs

UB - 4115 Health
- uses inner beast,  ooze, 1 spit/putrid flow and 8-9 auto attacks (Damage, 277 - 307 (291.5)).

Total dmg output (roughly) = 1400 + 2150 + 2473 = 6023 dmg over 10 secs

even with ooze dmg ub himself, UB still outputs more dmg to TB within the 10 secs and at a cost of only 950 mana, while TB uses nearly triple that amount of mana at 2715 mana cost which only leads to his loss anyway.

you know you face a noob when he compares to skills of diferent heros/demigods what ever, that have totally different playstyle, weaks and strenghts.

sorry, but balance does not mean that you can pick up any two skills and they must have the same strength. balance means that to demigods are both the same value picking them up in your team. but this does not implie that they are eualy good no matter what combination with other demigods you have teamed up.

just one more of the worthless "balancing"-threads i already saw too much here.

edit: btw. tb attaks dmgs many targets at once. count this in your strategy and many other things! if you play tb as ub of course he seems weaker.

I think it has pretty good balance as you can use circle of fire on more than one building at a time and you can damage anything that walks through it. Spit is a one shot one target.

I'll remember this the next time I play a 1v1 game.  Have you thought about doing the same comparision 2v2 with 2TBs on 1 side and 2UBs on the other?  Does this mean UB is underpowered in 2v2?

Circle of Fire already punishes a team which fights on it enough. In a 2v2 and up just standing in the fire isn't usually a viable option, the CoF does what it's meant to do just fine, which is push back a team or punish them if they don't retreat.

As for total damage, what you're assuming is that UB and TB are both in range 100% of the time. If UB is going to deal damage with Ooze, he has to be in melee range. TB can lay down a CoF and then flee, he can throw fireballs from behind other DGs, while UB must generally enter and stay in melee range indefinitely.

If TB could defeat all melee characters from inside melee range, then what would be the point of playing melee characters? He is designed to lose that kind of fight. If you're really having trouble you should try getting an Orb of Defiance. Generally if you fireball as the enemy approaches you can lay down a CoF before they get in stun range. Once they spit, activate the Orb and they must either run and get fireballed in the back or cook in your CoF.

Regardless, you're not going to win in a slugfest and you shouldn't. If you're going to buff TB it should come in the form of allowing him to autoattack on the run and making it possible for him to actually cast something when fighting a team with multiple interrupts on it.