Useless skills/items/etc

By wraid on September 10, 2009 6:05:41 AM from

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Sedna's Yetis

I have never seen a successfull yeti sedna. Especially if she sacrifices heal for said yetis. They should be really strong and resistant minions but they get stomped as easily as any other minion with aoe attacks. I really don't see any skill sedna has being worth sacrificing over yetis.

UB's Bestial Wrath

Imo, its just too easily avoided by:

running away for 7 seconds
cast a slowing spell on ub and avoiding him
shield yourself
heal yourself
freezing him
stunning him
distracting him with minions
etc

Besides that, it's a real mana leech and it doesn't really seem to do that much to be worth spending skill points in it. Inner beast, post mortem, diseased claws, ooze, spit are way more worth it.

Gogles(favor item)

Dunno where to begin here. Honestly i have never ever used them, they are a waste of favor points better spent on...well....anything else.

Regulus Deadeye

Ok so, forget the uselessness of the 0.3 second stun (which is actually more of an interrupt.....), but omfg 3% chance? Do you know how little that is? It means that if you are lucky enough to land 100 hits on your target you will get that stun no more than 3 times. Honestly i'd prefer a yeti sedna any day. I have never seen anyone get that skill. It should just be removed imo.

Death penalty cit upgrade

Well, it's not that bad actually, but it is always the last thing to buy and only if you have shitloads of money. The ideea is ok but it's simply not used because it's just NOT worth it's price making it useless for the price it has. Maybe a buff or a price nerf would make it more appealing?

ShakeNBake useless items:

Restorative Scroll (250g) remove debuffs from your army. ???
Hex Scroll (500g) 500g!!!! to remove 25% dmg for 10 seconds? much better items to hold in slots
Platemail of the Crusader (4500g) too expensive, no useful stats, proc on hit chance way too low
Theurgists Cap (3000g) none of the stats granted are of any use, 3000g better spent elsewhere
Footmans Sabatons (600g) can get better stats benefits for cheaper
Ironwalkers (3750g) waaaay too expensive for the benefit it provides
Desperate Boots (5000g) waaaaay too expensive, only useful late game, and by then you should be winning so hard you will never drop below the 30% health anyway
Gauntlets of Despair (1750g) never really noticed anyone use these. 15% chance for 100mana could do with increase then maybe its viable. only on fast attack speed demigod too.
Sludge Slinger (750g) rofl 750g
Twig of Life (3000g) not really needed even for generals, maybe has a place in a specialist build
Magnus Rod (3250g) money better spent on a decent mana item
Warpstone (5500g) maybe if range increased, instant cast, and cooldown decreased, would be worth it.

_Golgoth_ useless items:

Saam-els Cloak. For a grand 1620 favour points you get +5% and your speed cannot be reduced by 25% so you can have -20% speed... which is still bad. Especially when compared to the other much better favour items (Cape of Plentiful Mana, Wings of the Seraphim, Diamond Pendant, Heavens Wrath, Cloak of Night).

Magical Coin pouch. Not really that bad. Just not useful enough.

Dako7 : Everything QoT has except Bramble Shield, Ground Spikes, and Spike Wave.

So, that's all i can think of right now but i will add more. Feel free to add some yourself and i will put them here (you will have to explain why you think the skill/item is useless).

Oh and btw, this is not a troll thread i am not criticising Demigod/SD/GPG because i really like this game (as some of you might have noticed). However i just think that a list of skills that the community find useless should be made. This list might be good for noobs so they know what skills/items to avoid, and even SD/GPG so that they know what to remove/buff.

Cheers

Add to the llist, but its a purchase and not a skill...Totem of Revelation.

I don't think i need to say anymore about the item other than it is so useless, not even the AI buys them.....

@Reg Deadeye....i've always thought it must be an error and that it's meant to be a 3 second stun and 30% chance of hitting it, and that someone miss placed their decimal points when coding and doing flavor text.

If not...it might be the worse feature in any game...ever...

Good list though....

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omfg.

totem of revelation is one of the best starting items in the game.

the ability to have +5 vision radius and see incoming ganks is worth 100x more than the measly 50g price tag.

?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

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Well i never personally use totem of revelation but because it is just SO cheap it is worth it's cost. Hell, everything i have listed is not useless if they are virtually for free. If totem was >100 in price then yes, it would be a waste. But 50 gold is just too little to render anything useless.

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I feel like compiling a list of useless items

Restorative Scroll (250g) remove debuffs from your army. ???
Hex Scroll (500g) 500g!!!! to remove 25% dmg for 10 seconds? much better items to hold in slots
Duelist's Cuirass (3000g) crit % too low, other stats worse than 1500g item
Platemail of the Crusader (4500g) too expensive, no useful stats, proc on hit chance way too low
Plate Visor (600g) ... no comment
Theurgists Cap (3000g) none of the stats granted are of any use, 3000g better spent elsewhere
Vinling Helmet (3300g) worse stats than 1500g item, and proc has too low % chance to be of any use
Footmans Sabatons (600g) can get better stats benefits for cheaper
Assassains Footguards (1750g) dont think the 10% dodge will save you, needs an increase
Ironwalkers (3750g) waaaay too expensive for the benefit it provides
Desperate Boots (5000g) waaaaay too expensive, only useful late game, and by then you should be winning so hard you will never drop below the 30% health anyway
Gladiator Gloves (750g) way to expensive for the benefit it provides (unless you are pure minion oak / erebus)
Gauntlets of Despair (1750g) never really noticed anyone use these. 15% chance for 100mana could do with increase then maybe its viable. only on fast attack speed demigod too.
Sludge Slinger (750g) rofl 750g
Twig of Life (3000g) not really needed even for generals, maybe has a place in a specialist build
Magnus Rod (3250g) money better spent on a decent mana item
Ring of the Ancients (3500g) way to expensive for the stats it provides
Parasite Egg (5000g) buggy as hell and way too expensive
Warpstone (5500g) maybe if range increased, instant cast, and cooldown decreased, would be worth it.

Artifact Shop + Favor Items not included.

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I find Banded Armor + Scaled Helm + Totem of Revelation to be my favourite starting build. But then again I play a Rook so not in any rush to cap the first flag so I can afford to wait in base for the extra few seconds without missing the first wave of creep exp. I find the item really really useful early game, again because Rook is generally a gank target, and you can easily see them coming from far away enough to start running. Generally gets replaced with wand of speed + teleports + flag locks mid-game.

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Well the items were not that useless. I mean they may be used in certain situations. But they are way to rare to actually benefit someone, so i've added them in the op. Keep em coming. Remember, skills/items/cit upgrades/combination of some items/ anything useless is welcome here (damn, that didn't sound right ).

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omfg.

totem of revelation is one of the best starting items in the game.

the ability to have +5 vision radius and see incoming ganks is worth 100x more than the measly 50g price tag.

?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Shhhh! Don't give the game away.

It's exactly as ShakeNBake says, that +5 visual radius just by carrying the totem is well with the 50g. I buy it every game as one of my starting items. I think many don't know about the +5 visual radius though. Now they do

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I use Duelist Cuirass as a mid-lategame upgrade to Hauberk of Life. Gives more armor and adds a crit chance. I'd take that one off the list myself. It might not be the best item, but it's far from worthless. There is no better second armor item within it's price range. Orb of Defiance is good as well, but takes up a quick item slot.

-- Tukulis

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Well every one of the items on the list CAN be used in certain situations so they are not totally useless. It's more a list of "items rarely used because of bugs/price-quality ratio/other stuff". Anything is up for debate and i will and or remove items from the list if i find a good reason (removed duelist cuirass for example, and others).

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Add to the list the Saam-els Cloak. For a grand 1620 favour points you get +5% and your speed cannot be reduced by 25% so you can have -20% speed... which is still bad. Especially when compared to the other much better favour items (Cape of Plentiful Mana, Wings of the Seraphim, Diamond Pendant, Heavens Wrath, Cloak of Night)

Doomsprite Grips. In theory they are a good buy but you are better off waiting and buying the mage slayer making them obselete :/ Unless someone can prove me wrong

Orb of Defiance. Become invincible for 5 seconds. Heal any sickness or avoid a hammer slam... and have the enemy walk behind you to cut off your escape

Magical Coin pouch. Not really that bad. Just not useful enough.

These are just my opinions however I would be delighted to be proved wrong. On a side note are citadel upgrades included?

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Yes, cit upgrades/ skills/ items/ flags/ ANYTHING that exists in the game but is a waste of time can be proposed.

Doomspite grips can be bought if you urgently need an attack buff and can't afford to wait for mage slayer. Yes, waiting for the slayer is a good tactic, but it does not render the gloves useless....unless someone can explain otherwise.

Orb of defience can save you if, for example you are being chased in the middle of your towers...ub is whacking at you, reg is charging the snipe, TB is charging the fireball etc. You will be invuln for 5 seconds, all the damage coming your way will be blocked and the guy chasing you will be forced to retreat before getting killed by towers. Orb is useless only on some situations, life-saving in others.

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Occulus + Goggles + Totem of Revelation

Proceed to SEE FOREVER

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Increasing the dodge on Assassains Footguards could make them very overpowered, and besides with the new Demon assassin, these really shouldnt be touched.

Alot of items are not nessessarily useless, most of them are just overpriced.

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September 10, 2009 09:08:23

I use Duelist Cuirass as a mid-lategame upgrade to Hauberk of Life. Gives more armor and adds a crit chance. I'd take that one off the list myself. It might not be the best item, but it's far from worthless. There is no better second armor item within it's price range.

Agreed...using Dualists along with Slayers is a great combination....

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Quoting Nichtganz,

reply 13

Alot of items are not nessessarily useless, most of them are just overpriced.

Well yeah, their price is too big for what they offer, therefore rendering them useless like vinling helmet. Others are just plain useless regardless of the situation like googles or regs deadeye.

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I like to add the Duelists Cuirass to the list of "if you buy this item in a game against me, I will totally whup your ass"

3000g for that ****? 5% chance to do ~100 extra dmg (after armor)

No thanks.

I'd rather take Scalemail for 400g and save for Narmoths Ring.

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bad items:

all artifact consumables
all armor that costs more than duelists cuirass
plate visor and all helms that are more expensive than vlemish
all boots except journeymans and boots of speed
gladiator gloves, gauntlets of despair and doomspite grips
all others already listed

i also beg to differ that scalemail is actually good.

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# all boots except journeymans and boots of speed

Ok...i don't mind unbreakable boots early game, resonably priced and gives a nice balance of mana/health, especailly if coin is hard to come by and you cant afford nimoth/plenor.

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Everything QoT has except Bramble Shield, Ground Spikes, and Spike Wave.

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Quoting Neilo,

reply 18

# all boots except journeymans and boots of speed

Ok...i don't mind unbreakable boots early game, resonably priced and gives a nice balance of mana/health, especailly if coin is hard to come by and you cant afford nimoth/plenor.

Yea, Unbreakable is good. I think he just overlooked them.

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bad items:

all artifact consumables

I disagree, I've used them quite a few times to save myself. Typically it happens when I'm fighting near the artifact shop and I buy one mid-combat. I agree they're not worth stocking up on the way you do other potions though. That being said, I think it makes the artifact shop kind of an interesting area to control instead of just being a nuisance 90% of the time when you misclick the stupid thing and pop up the shop menu in the middle of a fight.

all armor that costs more than duelists cuirass

Armor of vengeance is fine and Godplate is good enough for generals.

plate visor and all helms that are more expensive than vlemish

There's nothing wrong with the plate visor, it's just only useful on maps with +15 mana/sec flags. If more official maps are added to the game and players are able to create their own there's a good chance that small niche will become more significant, which isn't to say it needs to be to validate the item. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't complain if it got +200-400 mana though.

Also Hungarling's Crown is fine.

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Orb of Defiance is absolutely one of the best items in the game. Using it isn't solely about delaying death when you're at low health, it's about blocking fireballs, pounces, mines, snipes, shedding spits, marks, tracking devices, waiting out the cooldown on your next slam, etc. etc.

Pick up a staff of renewal and on Zikurat or Cataract it drops down to a 22 second cooldown... That's 5 seconds of invulnerabilty every 22 seconds, practically a full quarter of the time if you ened it. I play pantheon as dark rook so I constantly fight Regulus and being able to boulder roll the first round of mines mines, orb the second, and then boulder the third absolutely dismantles most people's playstyle.

Some characters benefit more than others, of course... The ones who depend on auto-attack dominance aren't as likely to get a lot of mileage out of it, but I've had great luck with it as TB against say UB or EB since it allows Circle of Fire to wipe out minions or just wear them down. It's even better if you can manage to get a fireball off beforehand so that cooldown is ticking down during the invulnerability.

That being said I do play rook the majority of the time and it's a uniquely powerful rook item.

Gogles(favor item)

Dunno where to begin here. Honestly i have never ever used them, they are a waste of favor points better spent on...well....anything else.

I don't think that the goggles are necessarily a problem or poorly designed. From what I hear there used to be an invisibility cloak at the shop and in general stealth/invisibility was more common.

If they ever re-implement that cloak, add something like invisibility potions, or create more demigods which use stealth (currently only regulus does via mines) then the goggles will make more sense. If anything along those lines is in the works then I think leaving goggles as-is isn't really an issue.

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I'm pretty sure playing rook on the dark side is a bug, and exploiting it isn't really cool.

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The main thing i never understood is , whay aren't there any items in the range of 2000-3000 gold.

When ever you have like 2300 or 2700 gold you always end up having just too little or need to buy much less powerfull items.

It would be nice to see some of those under powerd items geting a disscount to be placedd in that empty price range.

So the gap between 1750g items and 3000g items gets fixed .

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Quoting ,

quoting post

So i've been playing this game a while now and i couldn't help noticing that some skills/items are rarely used, and when they ARE used they usually end up losing the game. So i've decided to make a list of things that are considered useless to have, or at least only usefull if you REALLY know what you are doing. Ok, so, my list goes as follows:

Sedna's Yetis

I have never seen a successfull yeti sedna. Especially if she sacrifices heal for said yetis. They should be really strong and resistant minions but they get stomped as easily as any other minion with aoe attacks. I really don't see any skill sedna has being worth sacrificing over yetis.

UB's Bestial Wrath

Imo, its just too easily avoided by:

running away for 7 seconds
cast a slowing spell on ub and avoiding him
shield yourself
heal yourself
freezing him
stunning him
distracting him with minions
etc
Besides that, it's a real mana leech and it doesn't really seem to do that much to be worth spending skill points in it. Inner beast, post mortem, diseased claws, ooze, spit are way more worth it.

Gogles(favor item)

Dunno where to begin here. Honestly i have never ever used them, they are a waste of favor points better spent on...well....anything else.

Regulus Deadeye

Ok so, forget the uselessness of the 0.3 second stun (which is actually more of an interrupt.....), but omfg 3% chance? Do you know how little that is? It means that if you are lucky enough to land 100 hits on your target you will get that stun no more than 3 times. Honestly i'd prefer a yeti sedna any day. I have never seen anyone get that skill. It should just be removed imo.

Death penalty cit upgrade

Well, it's not that bad actually, but it is always the last thing to buy and only if you have shitloads of money. The ideea is ok but it's simply not used because it's just NOT worth it's price making it useless for the price it has. Maybe a buff or a price nerf would make it more appealing?

ShakeNBake useless items:

Restorative Scroll (250g) remove debuffs from your army. ???
Hex Scroll (500g) 500g!!!! to remove 25% dmg for 10 seconds? much better items to hold in slots
Platemail of the Crusader (4500g) too expensive, no useful stats, proc on hit chance way too low
Plate Visor (600g) ... no comment
Theurgists Cap (3000g) none of the stats granted are of any use, 3000g better spent elsewhere
Vinling Helmet (3300g) worse stats than 1500g item, and proc has too low % chance to be of any use
Footmans Sabatons (600g) can get better stats benefits for cheaper
Assassains Footguards (1750g) dont think the 10% dodge will save you, needs an increase
Ironwalkers (3750g) waaaay too expensive for the benefit it provides
Desperate Boots (5000g) waaaaay too expensive, only useful late game, and by then you should be winning so hard you will never drop below the 30% health anyway
Gauntlets of Despair (1750g) never really noticed anyone use these. 15% chance for 100mana could do with increase then maybe its viable. only on fast attack speed demigod too.
Sludge Slinger (750g) rofl 750g
Twig of Life (3000g) not really needed even for generals, maybe has a place in a specialist build
Magnus Rod (3250g) money better spent on a decent mana item
Warpstone (5500g) maybe if range increased, instant cast, and cooldown decreased, would be worth it.

_Golgoth_ useless items:

Saam-els Cloak. For a grand 1620 favour points you get +5% and your speed cannot be reduced by 25% so you can have -20% speed... which is still bad. Especially when compared to the other much better favour items (Cape of Plentiful Mana, Wings of the Seraphim, Diamond Pendant, Heavens Wrath, Cloak of Night).

Magical Coin pouch. Not really that bad. Just not useful enough.

So, that's all i can think of right now but i will add more. Feel free to add some yourself and i will put them here (you will have to explain why you think the skill/item is useless).

Oh and btw, this is not a troll thread i am not criticising Demigod/SD/GPG because i really like this game (as some of you might have noticed). However i just think that a list of skills that the community find useless should be made. This list might be good for noobs so they know what skills/items to avoid, and even SD/GPG so that they know what to remove/buff.

Cheers

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