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Agreeing with DwarfKilla_DN here. For me Demi is pretty stable... Haven't played HoN so can't compare really.If you have problems report a bug or try to get some support.

The reason why there are 100 times for players in HoN is probably because IT IS FREE I think there are quite many players who have bought demi and will begin to play again after the new patch when some issues have been fixed. At least I hope so.

I really don't get why people feel the need to post about how HON or LOL is better than DG. Do you think by bashing the game and praising a dota knock off, (it even looks like dated graphics) on the forums for Demigod will gain you a magical solution to your problems?

Don't like Dg? Then don't play it and go enjoy your HoN. If you like dated graphics and a game built on a 7 year old platform, then go to it.

I sure dont wait 20 mins in the lobby for a game. The game is very stable. And Hon is in beta.....you will be paying for it at some point.

Where do you base your "no one is playing it" factoid on? Right now there are over 1700 people online playing.

There are many great things about this game and site, one of which is the great support SD offers. They are always on the forums.....but there are 2 things that ruins this place. One of which is the constant...i love HoN/LoL threads.

Alrighty...good for you...go and tell those folks on the HoN forums all about it.....

They might care.

Bout frakking time someone with sense rolls along....

+1 my friend.

One of the main reasons is that we hate being lied to.  When the offical faces tell you that all the issues you're having are caused by your crappy connection/computer/attitude and things cant be better cause of lack of money, you come and show them that it can be done better and has been done so by a team with dramatically lower funding and minimal income from the game.

The gameplay design is what you're reffering to and it's actually older than 7 years (based on Aeon of Strife).  It has been refined for very long by many people contributing.  Are you saying that gameplay designs become obsoleted with time?

The platform on the other hand features a very well made and rich multiplayer lobby system, extremely stable multiplatform engine that goes 40+ fps at all times, an insane backend system that hosts all games, provides radical new net code implementation and is lighting fast even with 30X more games running than Demigod while maintaining very low latency.  Yes, thats the other reason we discuss HoN, to show that proper platform is absolutely a must for a good multiplayer game, especially an action oriented one.

I already paid for HoN.  TBH I already feel it deserves my money a lot more than Demigod.

This has been discussed plenty of times and the numbers just dont add up.  Search the forums if you will, but having less than 10% of online players in games, while there is no real chat system ingame, is just not right.  In comparison, when there are 18.000 players online in HoN, >1.500 of them are in lobbies.  (300 lobbies x 5+ people).  5-10x more are in started games (unfortunately there is no count of games in progress) which means 50-80% of the people reported online are playing.  Quite a stark contrast to what is being reported in demigod.

We cared very much here... search for past posts.

Meanwhile, S2 (the creators of HoN) are also always on the forums, but besides posting and arguing with players, they also patch the game with very high frequency (sometimes even daily) and every patch contains a multitude of fixes, additions and improvements.  They are capable of deploying patches with rapid frequency without causing system fallouts so far.  If you think SD/GPG are doing a good job supporting Demigod, you'd be swept off your feet by S2.  TBH I think Stardock was like them initially... then they made a shitload of money... then their appetites grew... then they became what they despised most...

I just hope you at least read it if you care about Demigod as you claim to.

P.S. I keep coming back to check for improvement in DG cause 1) I like the concept, gamplay and art, 2) I have friends I want to play with again.  I'd love to discuss new Demigod things, but when when I see no changes, I post information on stuff that is done better in a very similar and competing product.  Maybe it will help someone see how things can be done better, maybe not.

Having played a few games of HoN now too, I can see where Demigod is failing even more.

However, what Demigod has to it's strengths are the graphics engines, I also like the variety of skills. It does play differently to DOTA and I also feel it is a little more pick up and play. Games in Demigod seem to last significantly shorter than HoN, I prefer that.

The things that I hope they can improve on :

*** The lobby system. HoN is way ahead, predicted win percentages, showing what you are risking in terms of winning/losing, everything slick. Lots of options.

** Connections in game. Every game I have played in HoN was 5v5, started no problems, no lag. Sadly I wish I could play DG like that, but it just doesn't happen.

** Maps. Yes I know HoN has only a couple. However, for me I feel the maps in DG are just too simple. There should be lots of shortcuts through lanes, places where ambushes can be laid.

* More Demigods.

* More and balanced items.

At the moment, given the complexity for a new played to the DOTA/HoN experience, I feel that DG is like a taster of the genre, easy to get in to and pick up. However, for long term interest, I am not sure it has the depth there.

I love Stardocks approach though and will likely pop into DG now and again, keeping an eye on Elemental too. However, S2 are also a good developer, I played Savage quite a lot. Hopefully both games can stay alive.

That is not true, hopefully, it means that good points of that game are then incorporated into DG.

Maintaining a "place your head in a bucket of sand" standpoint will equal game failure.

I think that you are missing the point, LoL and HoN are in BETA, Demigod is a released product with paying customers.

For me the complaint is not about stability but about gameplay and the amount of time it takes to get a game going (btw, starting a game CAN be fast, but tends to take much too long).  There are bugs, really annoying bugs that make you want to not play (for me it is pathing, I hate the pathing algorithm because it hates me).  The main point here is this: I paid money for a product that was supposed to be FINISHED.  Does finished mean bug free? No.  I develop software for a living and I understand the fact that there will be problems, it is inevitable.  However, you do not ship a product that has such glaring issues and expect people to be happy that they paid for it.

The fact of the matter is that so far I haven't ran into any issues and have played more games in the short time I have than I could ever play in DG.  I don't care the LoL is free, what I care about more is that the quality in its beta version is high.  Heck, I even had to leave a game one time but then was able to RECONNECT during the middle of a match, what a novel idea.

In summary, do I think DG is a good game?  Yes.  What is my gripe then?  Stop talking about the bugs and fix them.  Stop talking about the new content and deliver it.  I like Brad's approach but to be honest whenever he says things like "developing a new piece of UI is expensive" or "creating a new map is expensive" it rubs me the wrong way because I am the customer, I payed for something and you said you would deliver, now please do so.

Heh, I really do love the Demigod is not a clone arguement. Flags and skill trees don't make it different enough and no amount of "Lalala I can't hear you" is going to change that. I'm sure the people who take the time to offer helpful critisim are far more valuable than the "gee Brad, you're so spiffy" /twinkle twinkle, posts.

BTW its been stated many times, HoN has a few unique gods that are not ported from Dota so not a 100% copy and LoL is all new.

I will conceed, if anything, these post should go to the GPG forums instead.

SOME fair points - I personally know of several players who have dropped DG until the new dgs come out in favor of HoN.  I've played the HoN beta and find that I don't enjoy the game all that much (and I do know how to play, etc).  I'm glad I had a chance to try it out, but I won't be buying the game when its released.  Also, I figure some former DG players will come on back here once HoN goes retail without picking up the game.  HoN does have some great connectivity features/community features already, but me personally, I just don't like the game much. 

Just to weigh in with my noob $0.02... I think DG was a good deal for $40, but not a great one.  I've already played it longer than some other games I've purchased, so I was by no means ripped off.

However, I've played several other RTS games with multiplayer nearly or just as good, plus a decent single player campaign, lobby system and cutscenes to boot.  World in Conflict and Red Alert 3 come to mind.

On the upshot, I've never had a problem finding custom games, although lag is somewhat of an issue once it starts.