Alterschism

I understand your frustration bro.  ANd i also want to say thanks.  THe reason I say thanks is that you are looking for total games played which is more indicative of a persons experience.  I know there is still some question to their skill level but experience isn't related to wins versus losses.  SInce this is a Team game, getting put on a bad team, or with a team where someone drops / quits or going up against a lot of premades really tanks the ole win loss ratio.   I find that I the above happens a lot more than it doesn't.  Pantheon would even it out but theres too much of a chance of playing against ai or having teams unbalanced because its 3v1.  Heck 3v1 would be better than 3 v 3 (with 2 ai).

Twinsen, most people who think they are pro in this community are 12 year olds who can cuss without getting caught by there parents lol.The really good players from what i've seen tend to be pretty cool.(while they spank you lol)

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In my experience, pro doesn't ever seem to draw in excellent people (you might get 1 or 2 tops), no noobs seems to do slightly better, but inexperienced people will still join.  Not many good solutions to this other than what you are doing.  Maybe try XvX Expert only. 

If I'm checking stats, I first look at rank and then check out total numbers of games.  If they have quite a few games (> 50 and their win loss rate isn't abysmal), then that's typically good enough to make it interesting. 

funny and true for some parts you made me smile

Very Very true. But as you can see from MY record I havent played much, and have lost quite a few, usually Disconnects or Premades that dont say they are. But I have almost always been the best player on my team. I mention myself because If I were to join you would kick me, because of my record. You also say that there is a difference with the total nub, and the competent player. If you kick all the people you think are noobs, how can you get competent players to join?

Im not attacking you, just showing theres a bit of a flaw in your thinking. By kicking all players with bad records, you are not finding if they have "common Sense".

And your the type of person to kick anyone with crappy records. I know how to play, find me and we will see. Ive played DotA for 4 years (or so) so I know the basics of the game here, the foundations this game is based on. Sucks that people like you think people like me are bad due to some ranking system that doesnt really show experience.

Find me, and lets play together, then you see that your dead wrong. I have no problem with you, just your "kind". (people that are worried about some stupid rank) This topic means little to me. If you think that way then screw it, Ill join any game and just play. I have no care for a rank to be good, Competitive play is bad. (in the experiences ive had) so it looks like im stuck then, no way to get better, always between the nubs and the "pros"...

reaver, this game is all about competition... and what else should a host look for, but your stats?

pacov was very polite, as always, but he is right.

but of course, statistics are not all and noone said, that you´ve got no skill... but if i had to choose between a guy with 40% and one with 80%, why the hell should i take the 40% one to be in my team??

i get a lot of noobs in my "pro" or "advanced" games too and almost all keep telling that they are very highly skilled... well, some time ago, i´ve played those games versus them. raped them pretty rough... i am bored of these games now, so i kick those guys.

with a replay function i would understand them, if they wanted to learn something. but this way, they get raped and thats all. i wonder how anyone is able to have fun with this

I've said it in a few posts in the past already and I'll say it again. Stardock needs to add filtering player options available to the Host's settings.

Minutes played ex) If a player does not have at least 1000 minutes played they get a message when they click on a game in the lobby "You do not meet the requirements"

Win Percentage ex) set to 60% (same message as above)

Number of Disconnects ex) set to Maximum of 20 (message can be "You exceed the maximum number of disconnects"

Just an example really to make a point about filtering tools to give the community more control, Host can set it to variable 1-1000 for all anyone cares. Just anything remotely close to these kinds of settings would prevent most if not all of what the OP has stated.

Being a good gamer has a greater status than it deserves. People, particularly younger people, tend to hang their feelings of self worth on being a good gamer. This is the reason (I think) people do some of the things they do. The term noob just reinforces the attitude, derision for those who do poorly, and the fattening of egos for those who do well, plus an opportunity to deride the poorer players...It's pretty messed up atm imo.

About the game titles.... There is a BIG difference between how people (including me) look at NO NOOBS and PRO's ONLY. No noobs means you want players who don't suck. This means that you will get everyone from begginer-intermediate to super-ultra-pro. Pro only means you are looking for very good-expert-pro's. Notice the difference?

If you check my stats you would probably say OMFG wraid is a total noob, i will kick him from every game i see him in. But you simply can NOT (!!!!!) quantify a person's skill in any way by pure numbers. My loosing streak could mean that i suck at the game or that i have a hard time picking good teams.

I personally think that i am an ok player (or even a intermediate - good player) but it just hurts when i get kicked because of my stats. I played a lot of games in which people have asked me if i was premade with someone or a pro in a noobs only game. I stay on my feet, pay attention to what's going on around me, try hard not to get exposed help ally dgs whenever i have the mana and the opportunity. I don't feed and rarely suicide, i flag lock important flags (fortitude), i know how to effectively dance and kite someone.

Maybe that seems like bragging but i am just trying to point out that whilst i am by no means a pro i am also not a noob.

Was searching last night (or 2 days ago, not sure exactly) for a game. There was one 3v3 no noobs by solomonic. I joined because i do not consider myself a noob. Neither do i consider myself a pro or very good player but then again the title said no noobs not pro only. So i joined that game and solomonic said that i had no place there and i should leave because i am a noob. I insisted that i was not, i was intermediate. He kicked me anyway.

Now, i am not upset at solomonic. He had no reason to trust me. For all he knew, i was a "rq feeder fag lol". I was just pointing out that it can be hurtful sometimes when you are kicked by someone because of your stats. I personally try to give players the benefit of the doubt. But then again sometimes people are just sick of noobs playing their first online game in a pro only lobby and have no patience for giving someone a chance thereby risking to blow the entire game.

When you are naming your games try something like EU 3v3...blablabla... experienced players (50+ games) or 50+ wins etc.

Also, there are a few tip offs to wether a player is a noob. Like Alterschism said:

-sitting on your ass and not saying anything when someone asks you if you are a noob

-not pressing ready when everybody says "rdy up".

-asking what a premade is.

-returning after being kicked and calling you an a-hole.

It's pretty easy to identify noobs. I can also tell when a person is about to rage quit (although that is not really usefull unless you can identify him before the game starts).

Lol, just wrote a wall of text. Anyway, my point is : Try giving people the benefit of the doubt. If they let you down, blacklist them somewhere and kick them on sight next time, or untill their stats go way waaay up.

Thanx 4 readin' .

EHThripshaw putting in the title "no favor items" helps to reduce the number of non-noobs that join. Generally speaking once you get favor items you like using them all the time and noobs almost by definition can't afford them. Also don't play Cataract or don't play Conquest and mark that in your title. Noob basher tend to want to play a easy game where they win (Often cause they keep loosing other games.) requring them to play different and thus think makes their heads hurt so their less likely to join.

Don't worry pretty soon people will be complaining to you about you and your friend being premade soon enough.

ABSOLUTELY!  AND THEY SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO!

If you have networking issues that cause you to consistently drop from the game then you need to FIX the issues or play something else.  This is a team based multiplayer game.  If you consistently have connection issues, or do not know how to use the scheduler on your bittorrent program, or have a siblings/roomates who won't be curteous to your online gaming habits then play something else.  If your bedtime is within 45 minutes of starting the game and you know your parents are going to pull the plug, then go play L4D or COD.  If you Rage quit like a little angry german kid then either take some xanax or play counterstrike & WoW. Everyone on a team agrees to play against the other team before the game is started.  Bailing out before the game ends just screws everyone.

The stats that I want to see the most are the following:

  1.  How many games have been quit total

  2.  How many games have conceded then quit (before the game ends)  

For #1 this will show how unreliable a teammate is (connection issues or just quits).  #2 will be a direct display of the level of assholishness of the player. If a person conceded then quit then you know damn well it wasn't a hardware issue.

Of the last 8 games i've played 7 have had one or more people quit in the middle of the game.  Hell 2 of the games I played over the weekend had 2 (of the 3 people on my team) quit before the end of the game when we were Winning!  Heck I even came close to winning the matches on my own but just couldn't maintain the war score.  How can anyone have a good win percentage with this many people who quit mid match?

Pacov, I respect you, kalel and trousersnake as players.  All 3 of you are damn good and what I would consider "pro" I don't mind getting spanked as I watch you guys kite & dance well together.  But you have to admit that your 80% win percentage has more to do with playing with people that you know and play well with. A major indicative stat pertaining to your experience is your number of games played total.

But what if you're like me?  (an intermediate player, not noob not Pro)  I only have one RL friend who playes this game.  The rest of my clan plays FPS games.  It's rare when I play with the same team more than once.  We're constantly facing the issues that i mentioned above.  Does that make us bad players?  Is our win percentage so lacking that we get kicked out of games when they are the only games available?  (Just so you don't have to look it up) Currently i have a 37.9% win percentage with over 100 games under my belt.  I bet that 80% of my losses have someone on my team who has quit the game.  Quitters aren't being penalized at all but those with low win percentage are.

I've heard the arguments "why don't you play pantheon" - cuz if im going to play against AI i might as well do it in a custom single player game so i can make them nightmare or similar.  The one nice thing about pantheon though is the lack of premades. I don't mind playing against premades cut would consider it a courtesy to know up front.

As a solution I think clans have to get set-up and possibly the prevention of AI playing in the pantheon.

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