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Hardware based instancing required

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By ElementalAoE on July 1, 2009 6:28:30 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

ElementalAoE

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Hello all and thanks for looking and helping.

I have a laptop, running vista.

Stats:

Time of this report: 7/1/2009, 12:23:59
       Machine name: PC
   Operating System: Windows Vista™ Home Premium (6.0, Build 6001) Service Pack 1 (6001.vistasp1_gdr.090302-1506)
           Language: Slovenian (Regional Setting: Slovenian)
System Manufacturer: Notebook       
       System Model: E5010        
               BIOS: Ver 1.00PARTTBLX
          Processor: Genuine Intel(R) CPU           T1500  @ 1.86GHz (2 CPUs), ~1.9GHz
             Memory: 2814MB RAM
          Page File: 999MB used, 4920MB available
        Windows Dir: C:\Windows
    DirectX Version: DirectX 10
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
     DxDiag Version: 6.00.6001.18000 32bit Unicode

 Card name: VIA Chrome9 HC IGP Family WDDM 
     Manufacturer: S3 Graphics Co. Ltd.
        Chip type: VIA Chrome9 HC2 IGP
         DAC type: Internal
       Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1106&DEV_3371&SUBSYS_85151071&REV_01
   Display Memory: 307 MB
 Dedicated Memory: 247 MB
    Shared Memory: 60 MB
     Current Mode: 1280 x 800 (32 bit) (60Hz)
          Monitor: Generic PnP Monitor
      Driver Name: VTGUModeDX32.dll
   Driver Version: 7.14.0014.0019 (English)
      DDI Version: 9Ex
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
 Driver Date/Size: 7/20/2007 09:59:18, 2682368 bytes
      WHQL Logo'd: Yes
  WHQL Date Stamp:
Device Identifier: {D7B71FE6-7031-11CF-D273-1BA5A0C2CA35}
        Vendor ID: 0x1106
        Device ID: 0x3371
        SubSys ID: 0x85151071
      Revision ID: 0x0001
      Revision ID: 0x0001
      Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_A ModeMPEG2_C
 Deinterlace Caps: {5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY
                   {335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBLineReplicate
                   {5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY
                   {335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBLineReplicate
     DDraw Status: Enabled
       D3D Status: Enabled
       AGP Status: Enabled

 

I have bought Demigod, now I can't run it and i hope I dont need to update (comp is ~1 year old), also becouse i have no money and laptops are hard to upgrade.

 

 

Cheers, ElementalAoE

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twifightDG
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July 1, 2009 7:40:32 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Hi and welcome.


What exactly is the problem? Does it just not load up? Does it produce an error? Does it just runs very slow?

In the last case updating all your drivers and Windows is a good place to start.

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July 1, 2009 7:47:01 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

I see the problem.

VIA Chrome9 HC

The integrated graphic card (shared memory) VIA Chrome9 HC IGP is found on the VN896 chipset for notebooks. The integrated graphic processor (IGP) offers DirectX 9.0 3D acceleration and a video accelerator for the MPEG playback. Further adaptive De-Interlacing and Video deblocking are supported up to a resolution of 1080i.

The performance of VIA Chrome 9 HC IGP is only the halve of current competitors of integrated graphic cards (Intel GMA 950, AMD XPress 1100) and even is overextended with the DirectX 9.0 functions of the Aero interface (of Windows Vista) (usage possible, but only with motion interruptions).

3D games are not really running well on this video card.

That card is unfortunately under minimum specifications. An onboard chip, like you have, is often okay for 2D jobs like video watching, but not for 3d stuff like games. Your laptop will simply not work with most games, sorry.

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July 1, 2009 8:15:18 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

That card is unfortunately under minimum specifications.

twifightDG is very much correct.  Integrated cards like this do not meet the minimum requirement to run Demigod.

 

128 MB 3D Video Card (ATI Radeon X1600 / Nvidia GeForce 6800 or better)

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July 1, 2009 8:35:05 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

My Graphic card has 307 MB of memory. 128 MB is the minimum, i see no problem. 247 of it is dedicated, 60 is shared (wth i dont understand it lol)

I have my computer set to automaticly update all drivers on a weekly basis.

I get the "Hardware based instancing required, please ensure drivers are up to date" (something like that) error.

My computer runs all games well, 3D ones too. I mostly play online games (mmorpgs, most are 3D and have good graphics), also i play Mount and Blade (Dont comment my games choice please ) at  the highest resolution lagless.

This is the first game i have a problem with, ignoring the games that arent vista-compatible.

I also noticed the game doesnt support Intel chips. As i said i have a :

Processor: Genuine Intel(R) CPU           T1500  @ 1.86GHz (2 CPUs), ~1.9GHz

Is that the unsupportable one?

When i bought the game i looked it up at games for windows site, and that wasnt stated there.

Maybe i just bought the game and wont be able to play it at all. That would be sad

@Dash I don't know whether these cards can fit in my laptop. Also the numbers dont run like Nvidia GeForce 6800, Nvidia GeForce 6801, Nvidia GeForce 6802, Nvidia GeForce 6803... When i look in the shops there are different series, different numbers. How do i know which is newer than Nvidia GeForce 6800?

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July 1, 2009 8:40:09 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

I also noticed the game doesnt support Intel chips

The game does indeed support Intel chips; your processor is not the issue here. 

 

I don't know whether these cards can fit in my laptop.

Those are the example cards listed in the game's minimum requirements.  If your card isn't at least as powerful as those cards, then you will not be able to run the game properly.

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July 1, 2009 8:42:38 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting ElementalAoE,
reply 4
I get the "Hardware based instancing required, please ensure drivers are up to date" (something like that) error.
The problem is, that your video card does not support hardware instancing.

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July 1, 2009 8:45:05 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Since my processor is ~1.9 GHz, and its dual core, is it 3.8 GHz in total?

Also i still dont know why wouldnt it be good enough -.-, its 207 MB video card.

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July 1, 2009 8:46:15 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting Spooky,
reply 6

Quoting ElementalAoE, reply 4I get the "Hardware based instancing required, please ensure drivers are up to date" (something like that) error.The problem is, that your video card does not support hardware instancing.

Its 1 year old. All test I have run it through have shown it has passed.

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July 1, 2009 8:48:54 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Since my processor is ~1.9 GHz, and its dual core, is it 3.8 GHz in total?

Also i still dont know why wouldnt it be good enough -.-, its 207 MB video card.
It's not about video memory.

Its 1 year old. All test I have run it through have shown it has passed.
It's not about how old a card is. And what tests do you mean?

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July 1, 2009 8:54:07 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

What memory is it about then? 307 MB Graphic card, 3.8 GHz oughtta do it.

All the graphic performance tests, at some site (if i remember the adress ill post it)

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July 1, 2009 9:02:21 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting ElementalAoE,
reply 10
What memory is it about then? 307 MB Graphic card, 3.8 GHz oughtta do it.
It's not about memory at all. The error message already tells you why it is not working. Your video card, or at least your driver or the driver settings, do not support hardware instancing. Hardware instancing is required to run Demigod (and Supreme Commander and Forged Alliance for that matter).

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July 1, 2009 9:06:44 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

I just installed SC and i get same error yeah...

My driver is the newest, i wanna make my driver do the instancing, how do i do that?

Can anyone point me to a better driver that would make me able to play it?

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July 1, 2009 9:15:44 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting ElementalAoE,
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My driver is the newest, i wanna make my driver do the instancing, how do i do that?
I don't think you can, sorry...

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July 1, 2009 11:01:21 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

VIA Chrome9 HC does not have the capability for Shader Model 3 at the hardware level, which the game requires. That is the nub of the problem; new drivers cannot fix it, and laptops are generally not upgradeable.

Those cards listed in the game's minimum requirements are the earliest ones that supported SM3--the memory requirement isn't really the most important part of the requirement (I don't think any cards exceeding the requirement exist with less than 128MB).

Sorry, but the only solution would be to play the game on a new/different machine which does have capable hardware.

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July 1, 2009 4:45:22 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

That blows....

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July 1, 2009 4:47:31 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

I mean laptops being said to be like only for business....

I travel a lot and i play games on my travel and at locations i travel at, so a laptop is my only option.

There HAS to be a good GAMING laptop out there, i dont care if its 10 kilo heavy or if it is loud.

Only that hardware is new

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July 1, 2009 5:36:44 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Most brands have a specific 'gamer line' of laptops. The Acer's Ferrari series come to mind, and Dell's XPS series, I'm sure there are loads more but can't recall any names atm.

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July 2, 2009 1:27:32 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

About the XPS series, they are said to be gaming but they are able to play even less games as mine can. Believe, my brother has one.

About the Asus computer, what are the stats? Size of graphic card, things like that.

Also i live in Slovenia, as you could guess from my language settings on my dxdiag stats, and here this one is very hard to find. It seems very nice though.

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July 2, 2009 1:35:31 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Oh and here is the A2 version-- or is it the same i dont know lol.

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July 2, 2009 2:12:46 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

ElementalAoE -  as indicated above, laptops often as lousy for their graphics support, even on good builds.  I was lucky enough to get demigod to work on an integrated intel chipset, but could not get one of my friends Toshibas to work (similar specs to you).  Integrated chipsets appear to be locked down by the manufacturer as they like to customize their drivers.  That means, if the company you bought from doesn't want to update those drivers, you are screwed unless a hack comes out.  If gaming is something you want to do on a laptop, the only advise I can provide is to ensure it has some sort of non integrated, current graphics card. 

So, if you have an integrated graphics card on a laptop, its not a 0% you'll be able to get it to work, but the chances aren't high... and in my case, I was able to get demigod to run, but not run incredibly well, even on a core 2 duo processor.

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July 2, 2009 2:54:37 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Ah... But games never lag at me, if they play. Its like 1 and 0. 1 is it plays good and 0 is that it doesnt play at all.

Is this integrated or not integrated? I know alot about computer software, i know with computers, but the mechanics and hardware parts are my weakness... what could you expect from a girl

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July 2, 2009 4:29:31 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting ElementalAoE,
reply 22
Ah... But games never lag at me, if they play. Its like 1 and 0. 1 is it plays good and 0 is that it doesnt play at all.

Is this integrated or not integrated? I know alot about computer software, i know with computers, but the mechanics and hardware parts are my weakness... what could you expect from a girl

 

That one has a normal videocard, which is good Actually, looking at those specs that's an excellent gaming laptop.

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July 2, 2009 5:19:57 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Ah, thanks. Now to find where i can get it (shipped or bought in shop) in Slovenia >.<

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July 2, 2009 6:49:00 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting ElementalAoE,
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About the XPS series, they are said to be gaming but they are able to play even less games as mine can. Believe, my brother has one.
"They are said"? Who says that? And which XPS does your brother have?

Anyway if you want the absolute best gaming performance on a Laptop, you'd have to look out for any laptop that has an SLI system in it. For instance there are Alienware notebooks with 2 Geforce 280M in SLI mode available.

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