I don't think many will want to consider Enterprise as canon, though. Anyway, Nero certainly messed things up but Spock was there to ensure that Kirk becomes captain of the Enterprise to keep the timeline relative stable.

That said, as cool as the Borg are, I don't think they'd be the best fit in the new Star Trek re-imagining. There are plenty of things to explore before that.

Ya, except for kirk and vulcan, i think most of the new timeline will remain more or less the same, even Q would be coming to the Federation. As for the movie, the fact they destroy one of the founding 4 world is..... I think most people liked the film caused it was kinda for the noobs [of star trek], but for pure trekkies, the film is as close to disaster as possible.

That depends on your definition of "pure trekkie". I grew up on Star Trek watching it when I was 7-8 and I still tune in SciFi channel every Monday and Friday for their TNG episodes. I thought the movie was very entertaining and worthy of the name.

But if your definition of a "pure trekkie" is someone who takes <insert something that happened in some episode> as Law of the ST universe and anything that then goes against it later on is heresy then I'm quite content not being one.

Have you seen Galaxy Quest? An amazingly brilliant parody that demonstrated this quite well, actually. There were a few people in the movie who more or less lived in that "universe". They had memorized all the episodes and were spitting out inconsistencies, had learned the ship blueprints and all that.

My definition of a real trekkie is one who's familiar with the universe and knows what's going on, but not one who'll be pissed off because some character's face mole is different from what it's supposed to be So what if Vulcan got destroyed? It opens up new and interesting storytelling for future movies and/or shows - and that's what Star Trek is, adventures and stories.

Ok so im about to go pure nerd here but . . . Did anyone watch the show Enterprise. It was susposte to be the prequeal to all the shows and in one of the episodes there was a crashed borg ship in the arctic and it sent a signal to the rest of the borg off in the Delta quadrent. So Abrams could go in that direction if he wanted to but i think it would be for the best if he didn't. I never liked the borg the got on my nerves. But to Mooster, i grew up on the show. My dad showed me the original, TNG and I watched all the series and all the movies i watched the movie and i though it was a good twist. The series needed something new, something for a new generation. and im pretty sure the next 2 movies in the series will not disappoint the old fans such as I. And i second want Annatar says, if theres one thing the show showed us its that we should be open minded (as corny as that sound). And this movie has opened up new possabilities that could be really good.

Ok,... I am not totally slaming this movie down, I like it especially it explained a lot in how the main cast got together. I mean, it show how kirk beat the most impossible senario in Starfleet command

To be honest, i don't really like the enterprise series, if I started to watch it after the title song/title, i would have though it was either BSG or something else, probably would have realized it after if they use a star trek speciifc term, but it was totally different than the rest of the series.

If there is ever going to be another movie or another series, it won't be the same, even if they used all of the terms correctly, and everything is right, it just won't be the same without the computer. i have mention this elsewhere on the forum, Majel is dead, even if they recorded her voice in a database, it just won't be the same.

In regards to the Borg, I don't mind them even if they were the most destrutive force, it kinda forced the Federation to realied that even with their most advanced weapons, they are weak.

I agree with you, mooster. I thoguht it was a good movie, but not really Star Trek.

Personally i'm rather sick of star trek using alternate realities as a prop to spin off entirely new series/movies as a valid license to just wave around and say "look, I don't have to fit in with the established stories, alternate reality remember?".  Honestly, it's star trek, its famous for whats already been written and thats why most of us were drawn in to see the new movie (imo). It just seems to me like a terrible cop out to just use this movie to lay the groundwork for the inexorable following movies with the ability to write whatever they damn well please because it's an alternate reality. 

Having said that, the borg would be another cop out.  We all know the borg are the pretty much ultimate bad guys TNG and afterwards, but there are plenty of other bad guys pre-borg that could be explore, i.e. klingons, andorians etc.  They don't need to be brought in, and they belong where they were in the series.  Flesh out the hokey stuff from the 70's like BSG did and make it more real.  Bring back the tribbles damnit, make them cool.

The series needed re-imagining. There's no need to bring in the Borg.

I for one did not like what they did with allying the Klingons and the Federation. The Klingos make much better enemies than allies, and the Romulans would be more likely to suck up to a strong preasance.

I think that Abrams has more for us "pure trekkies" than we think he does. From watching the new movie god only knows how many times, i think that we can expect him to not stray from the original underlying theme of the show which is what we all want. Im afraid to say it but i think with out this remake the Star Trek franchise we all know and love would have died. But on another note i think well see some of the wars that the Klingons and the Federation had before they made peace as opposed to the whole borg thing

So, since i never watched Enterprise let me see if i have got this right. The borg found in an "Enterprise" episode send a signal that the cube that is in "Q Who" recieves and that is what makes them set course for Earth?

If i have that right then not only will the events surrounding the Enterprise E not happen but the Borg may never take any notice of the Federation at all.

If, the cube in "Q Who" has no other indication of life on Earth the it might continue on whatever mission it was on prior to receiving the signal...the signal it will now never receive.

That leaves the Federation safe...for now. The Borg no nothing of Humanity in the new timeline. So no attacks are forthcoming, but...it is reasonable to assume that the Borg would have learned of our existence in some other manner eventually and will still send a cube to Earth.

So i agree with Solam (And annatar in that i dont consider Enterprise canon) It may be much later than the original timeline dictated but it may still happen.

Perhaps if the timeline allows it, Voyager will be the first to meet the Borg. That would be unfortunate for them since Janeway would be meeting them without any knowledge or known defense.

It was explained in the OP how that came about through actions from the future. That episode is now rendered mute. The Federation in Abrams timeline have not meet the Borg.

As for being a Trekkie and liking/disliking the movie, i have always considered myself a Trekkie (though i'm not clear on what defines once as a Trekkie, i own on DVD, TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY and the 10 movies, that does it for me) and i loved the movie.

I understand that Abrams needed to have the timeline altered for the obvious reasons....fanboys like us.

But further more i think he needed to move away from the traditional Trek movie for the commercial value as well. I want ST to succeed, and if that means changing a few things for it to be more commercially accepted i am fine with that. Success = more movies.

Plus, it has worked. No ST movie has taken anywhere near the international takings at the box office that this movie has, so from that standpoint i think the movie speaks for itself and if a few pure Trekkie's get their feathers rustled then i submit that they were never true Trekkie in the first place.

The success of the franchise is first and foremost the driving issue, without it we would be debating the Star Wars prequel trilogy.

In a forum spectacular, i'm going to agree with Zyx on his point. Reboot, new timeline, let's see some new races. That's not to say i wouldn't mind a movie that brings the Klingon's back as the old antagonist that they were, they were too wimpy by the end of DS9.

"I never liked Klingon's and i never will", is too great of future line to pass up, but, beyond that, let's something new, and not so trekkie....Heaven forbid the movies follow the the original series and tackle real world issue thrust into the context of the future.

Terrorism for starters...The federation has always been so...how did quark put it.."sweet and bubbly?" A revolution from time to time is always a good thing......

Just FYI for the OP.

Posting in the Off Topic forum does not limit this post to SINS. In fact it is available across some 12 sites within Stardockia, i am posting from GC2, as i assume Zyx is as well. All SD sites are linked, so your getting a much wider audience than just the SINS community.

Might be of help for spaceman63 too, as on 11 other sites, "sinners" has nothing to do with a game.... (waits for some religious junkie reading this on Joe User to chine in....LOL)

Well that be your opinion but $311,936,412 at the box office in 25 days says otherwise.

I agree with your general sentiment but i think Star Trek has some life in it. The last TOS only movie was 17 years ago, i think we can allow some leeway there, it's not like it's Spiderman 4 or another marvel marketing machine endeavor.

In your opinion...ok, and i believe your worse off for it, but thats my opnion. I can see where your coming from, i am yet to watch Enterprise, though i will get to it one day.

Canon or not, (though it had Majel Barrets blessing so thats enough for me) it is Star Trek...and that and all it contains is still fascinating.

Let there be more....