Amen.

Having people that are rude and brag often are always funner to kill tho =D

Bring em on

Milskidasith,

you stayed in the losing game because you're classy and that's how its done. you see things through to the end because thats the classy thing to do. its not about the favor points, its just a way of life. and when you stick it out, you don't delay the end of the game by taking a stand at the choke point on crucible. you stand at the health crystal and do nothing so your opponents can win faster relative to having a dumb AI keep fighting. 

being a team player is always classy. screwing up an attempt at assistance is what noobs do. but classy players aren't noobs when they buy citadel upgrades they buy the right ones. when they assist a partner its not a kill steal, its getting a kill that neither of you would have otherwise got. 

this isn't a guide. this is a code of conduct. its a description of what a classy player is. classy players are already decent. part of the definition, not hypocritical at all. you can be a very nice and good natured noob but you're still not a classy player because you're making noob mistakes. those noob mistakes can frustrate your team-mates and give your opponents a cake walk. a classy player NEVER frustrates his team mates or gives his opponents a cake walk. 

however, a noob with a good attitude is going to be a classy player in the very near future. 

noobs with good attitudes, stick it out, I salute you. I promise never to yell at you even when you're fuckin up, because that wouldn't be classy. you'll learn soon enough and then you too can be Classy. 

Dude, in no RTS, ever, in the history of competetive RTS's, has leaving the game been a bad thing. In pretty much every game that is competitive (Starcraft, DotA, etc.) it is considered polite to leave and say gg once you are obviously defeated. The lack of a resign option hurts this... but its still not classy to waste your opponents time (again, once there is a resign option, this will change, but for now the opponent can at least win faster with a compstomp.)

Basically, you are a scrub. You made your own mental rules on how to play the game (despite not being an official game rule; the leave game option is htere for a reason), one of which involves "don't leave when you have obviously lost." That's simply wasting your time. If it makes you feel good fine! I'll just be spending my time having more fun playing on matches that don't involve me waiting 30 minutes for my higher levelled, better geared enemies to stomp our Citadel.

Hell, even the developers have basically said your stance is wrong; they are updating it so that leaving doesn't trigger DCs and giving a resign option, so its basically saying "yeah, quitting makes sense when you can't win." It really does.

And once again, you continue to berate noobs in your own topic about being a class player, despite the fact one of your rules is to not berate noobs. The hypocrisy is hilarious.

Eh, maybe. If it's a compstomp, AI's are less than worthless (they feed you a LOT of gold and EXP.) Even if the AI's were a slight hinderance, I only resign when its an obvious loss anyway; if I, a human player who, while not great, is pretty good, think its impossible to come back and win, then the computers sure as hell aren't going to win. It's still a huge waste of time for me to sit around, and what does that do? I'm still not playing, so its as bad as if I left.

@Milskidasith

first of all, calling me a Scrub is not classy. i thought you made some good points in your first post so I wanted to clarify my position. i didn't expect to be insulted for doing so. you got up on the wrong side of bed today or something?

what we are on agreement with is that this game needs a proper Resign or Concede option very badly. please try to understand the reason i said what i did. staying til the end of the game ensures that the stat tracker properly records the win for your opponents and the loss for yourself. thats the motivation of my statement. i will happily revise this notion once a proper Concede option is in the game. 

at the moment if you quit out before its officially over one or both of these bad things might happen.

1) you make every other player sit and stare at a "Connections" dialog box for 30 seconds, since the game does not distinguish between a time out and a voluntary disconnect. this happens every time

2) you might screw up the stats of players involved. the algorithm that was put in place to distinguish between a "rage-quit" and a legit disconnect doesn't work well right now. 

so once these problems don't exist, i agree, the same conduct that was used in SC and DotA should apply here as well. extend GG as soon as its obviously done and then leave. but because of certain issues right now that behavior causes some unexpected problems. 

@Exterm,

any player who has a good attitude and is a good sport is very much appreciated. i salute you as well. you will sure be a truly Classy Gamer in the very near future if you are not already. however, new players often inadvertently frustrate other players in the game simply because of their lack of experience. its totally forgiveable but it still causes frustration, and therefore prevents a new player from being 100% Classy. 

this is NOT meant as an insult to new players or any kind of elitism. i'm all about welcoming new players into the community. however, new players need to learn things. that is just a simple fact. most people learn them pretty quickly and if they are good sports will become Classy Gamers as soon as that learning process is complete. i do however distinguish between a noob with the right attitude and an experienced player with the right attitude. 

then according to your definition everyone in the entire world is a scrub.

you made up a fake rule that says "i'll play the Demigods that I enjoy and play well." that rule isn't in the game, you made up and you're scrub.

you made up a rule that says "im gonna leave the game when, in my opinion, i can't win anymore". you're a scrub. 

the extent of whats an official rule honestly doesn't cover very much. most of the way we behave is governed by culture and tradition. use the term scrub at your own risk. its a very bad insult where i come from. you also came into a thread i made, for the purposes of being positive and complementing players in the community that i've enjoyed, and started a petty argument. i'll know how to treat you in the future. 

First, the first one isn't even a rule. That's a decision. That's like calling my laptop a ham sandwich. It isn't.

Secondly, the second one is ALSO a decision. Made up rules are stuff like "don't use throws in a fighting game, they are cheap." or "leaving the game early, even when you have obviously lost, is just being a sore loser (even if you say GG)." The official rules of the game are all hard coded into the game. Anything else is a rule you make up. The point is that there is an in game rule allowing you to leave a game in progress, so saying you shouldn't do that is being scrubby.

Also, your thread has been far more noob bashing than complimentary. You are acting pretty elitist, honestly.

why don't you just read the original post again and think about what it really says. 

1) you don't rage quit.

2) you don't bully or talk trash.

3) you're not a sore loser or an arrogant winner.

4) you've bothered to learn the basics of gameplay.

5) you play to have fun, because its a game.

thats what the post says.

i have NO IDEA how you now think i'm some kind of elitist or bully or noob-basher. you're hallucinating. also, if you DON'T agree with those 5 principles then you're not classy and i don't want to play with you. 

if elitism means not playing games with players who are VERY UNPLEASANT to play with, then i'm an elitist. 

Those people who argue for quitting forget to add one little detail: that is the team. I'm fine with quitters, if they discuss their decision with their team and follow the will of the majority. So if in a 3v3, 2 out of 3 are convinced they are losing, they should quit. It 2 out of 3 would want to continue the fight, then the third one owes them to stay and fight. Its really that simple.

Actually, when i say they should quit, well.. they dont necessarily have to. see the rest of the post why.

All these say GG and quit fellas forget one thing: if you fight back, the game might be dragged out by another 15 minutes or so. If you quit, it will be another 10 as the AI is obviously weaker. If you just sit back and chat for a while, it will be 5 as there is no real resistance for the enemy.

Furthermore, you might also find some interesting people to play with in the future if you spend that time to chat with them.

Obviously, for some asshats, its all about them and their precious time. They gloat about how they are doing a favor for everyone by not dragging out the game unnecessarily through quitting, when in reality all they are doing is following their own selfish interests to save those pathetic 5-10 minutes it would have cost them if they stick it out to the end.

I would add an extra point to your 'classy' list:

The most important rule of all,

rule 0: You are just a member of a team, and not the team itself. Follow/honor the will of the majority.

^this!

Oh and about the whole "noob bashing" thing, Here I'll get a quote or two.

The problem I have with this here is that you're saying a noob isn't classy because they're still learning the game.  That's not the point.  They're classy because of their attitude, not their skills.  Now if a noob has no intention of trying to learn those skills to become a good player, then you have a point.  But, if it's their first game online and they're still trying to adjust to playing with real people it becomes a whole different point.

Case A: Noob joins a game, gets totally rocked every time he leaves the base because he doesn't know when to retreat, who to avoid, ect.  He gets angry and starts cussing out his teammates and the other players because in his mind his poor skill and dying all the time is somehow their fault.  He soon after quits the game.

Case B: Noob joins a game, gets totally rocked every time he leaves the base because he doesn't know when to retreat, who to avoid, ect.  He asks his teammates for help on what to do.  He doesn't suddenly make a 180 and become the best player on the team, but maybe he dies a little less and tries his best to help his team out.

Which case would you prefer?  I'd pick B myself.  That's a classy player. One who tries to learn from their mistakes and get help from others.  He's still a noob, but he's learning.  He's not going to be a classy player some day, he's a classy player now.

You're right, in a competitive game, a noob is not someone you want on your team.  They'll make the match that much harder.  But don't call into question their "classiness" because of that.

If the noob is dragging the game on purpose that's a different story entirely.  But it's not their fault they're new.  Everyone was new at some time.

So I'm glad we can finally agree on this point.