Interesting, I just played a 4v4 today; a Reg on each team,  A Rook on each also.  Me Sedna.  I'm taking a flag, when I see the enemy Rook building towers.  I'm thinking "darn, I just can't ever figure out how to stop this tower spam thing", then, my alli Rook started puting towers too; it was kind'a a op vs op thing; funny.  Then there was both Regs sniping and snipe-killing people all the time from all the way accross the map; again Op vs OP but funny.  I just put all my points on Heal and Healing Wind, and ran, ran, ran from all the towers and sniper arrows the entire game.  Almost made me want to hug Erebus.

I lol'd hard.

Also, concerning the erebus nerf recently... I played a quick skirmish versus him on nightmare mode, and I almost shat myself when he dropped as quick as he did.  Every time he got in a fight with me or any of my AI allies, he dropped like a fly. And I'm not talking a gang rape situation; these were one on one.  He didn't kill anyone the entire match, even when he was at 20 and one of my AI allies was 17, he lost.

I, uh, am thinking something is a bit wrong when even a cheating version of him can't kill anything.

And more on topic, I love Rook. Been playing Oak lately, but I just missed Rook too much so I switched back.

Rooks towers aren't a problem really. They can seem to get out of hand if you just ignore rook, or give him time to farm up, but if you agressively chase him off of setting up a farm he's pretty easy to manage. He is pretty squishy for his size, and quite slow/easy to harass. The real problem with rook is when you let him get away on you and build a huge tower farm in a tactically important point of the map.

And Stop saying QoT needs a buff! she's fine as is! She has her role and she does it just as well as any demigod does theirs. We don't need your stinkin buffs!

Yay, someone who knows how this works!

Even before the Nerf, an AI Erebus sucks, and generally the AI sucks anyways.

Right, anyone with half a Brain on Crucible will usually rape my face before I can get 4 towers up let alone 8. Let alone the fact the Rook needs at least Two decent mana items to maintain mana regen to keep towers up since they fall down farily quickly and aren't permanent fixtures.

nah he doesn't need them  it depends on who ur facing if it is a sedna i found towers own her  if u set up 4 and set up 2 more while fighting her ull win/ force her to retreat

Minions eat towers for breakfast.

Most good TB players I play against just wittle down the towers Zealot, they don't walk into all of them and freeze/try to destroy them all in one go. Also they tend to use their immolate spell to widdle down the towers as well.

Unclean Beast can use spit/high attack speed and damage to shread towers down, Erebus can just get Missile Archers and just keep replenishing nightcrawlers and send them against the towers PLUS he can have healing minions to keep his health up while attacking towers.

I have lost two games so far on Crucible both to a UB/Erebus pair, badly, my towers hardely had any effect.

If you are referring to the purchasable minions, then you are just plain wrong. If you are referring to the portal minions, then you are also wrong (because the enemy also gets minions, and you can't control what your creeps target).

"Wittling" down the towers is useless. The rook can cast replace them as fast as you kill them that way.

Stop it with the ridiculous paper balance. None of these ideas work in the actual game.

I play unclean beast... I never have any problems pushing the enemy back no matter if they're rook or not. QoT can decimate towers, especially Rook's, in a matter of seconds, and still whoop Rook up one side of the map and down the other quick. Each demigod seems to have their own knack at the game, their own direction. Simply changing your play style when going up against the Rook (focusing a little more on your damage and attack speed, and a little more on your allies' attack, is what ensures that you get the advantage over a demigod like the Rook. But then if you're playing against Sedna, you're going to go a different route (like AoE and splash damage attacks), based on which demigod you're playing, what map you're on, and what (if any) allied demigods are doing.

The only thing I would change is having Rooks towers die when rook dies. It would take away from the sheer power of a Rook Turtle strat on a smaller map. If its done right Rook can just hide behind the towers, use Blade of the Serpent to regain MP, and continue to push until he gets to his goal. The only real counter I have seen that is effective is Frost Nova with the help of UB or Erebus.

So really, the towers should die when he does.

Meh.

I love my Tower Rook, but unless you win by level 12 or so, Tower Rook builds are useless.

Tower Rooks builds are *terrible*, and I mean *really terrible* by late game. Your damage is extremely mediocre, the shoulder upgrades AND tower's damage is something that any demigod can just shrug off, and rook is significantly more squish than any other DG.

His only "defensive" skill (eat tower) is easily interruptable, and takes forever to start "ticking". Boulder roll is okay, but by itself is not enough. Sedna heals, Oak & QoT shield, Erebus has bat+mist+insta-bite-heal, UB isn't that squishy (again, we're talking late game) and is fast, and Regulus/TB shouldn't ever be in melee range anyways (plus TB has a few different escape tools). 

Late game, a Tower Rook is just a crappy, slow, melee DG with sub-par stats. Defenses tend to be pointless by this point, and it really shows; Oak and Sedna, in particular, can totally ignore any size tower farms.

Not to mention that with his lack of DG killing ability, Rooks are generally starved for cash.

This isn't to say that Tower Rooks are weak all-game, they are very good builds early and mid. Perhaps towers should have a higher mana cost, a longer cooldown, and should last longer. I seriously believe, however, that Rook's towers should be boosted by the citadel upgrades, or that his shoulder&tower damage should be based upon his weapon damage (i.e. get ashkandor+god power 3 and his ranged passive damage should be sweet).

All you have to do to beat a team with a tower rook is survive to later game, and focus fire the rook when he's alone and doesn't have many towers up. Get to level 15+, get 10k gold worth of gear, and there is literally nothing a rook can do but hide behind towers and hope the battle doesn't focus around his farm. I.E. be worthless.

are u stupid she does if she is fighting againist them  aswell as a demi and i  think it is more apropirate for me to ask u  if u even play