alban987

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How is that horrible? If your evidence is nothing then keep your mouth shut. "Joe is banned" isn't a viable reason to kick someone. Maybe Joe did something, not going to take the chance, kicked. Guy with the ban is clearly lazy, not worth my time, kick. Would it make more sense to just take someones word for it when they present zero evidence? There's no point in my wasting my time so I'll free up 2 slots which will be filled in seconds and we move on with our lives.

I host 99% of the games my friends play in so it's not too often they'll come up with a ban I don't already have. But when they do I'm taking their word for it. I'm the host, it's my game you want to join, i reserve the right to kick people out rather than deal with the riff raff. If you don't like it host your own game, which the majority of people on bnet can't do. I can so don't be a douche. It's really as simple as that. You're playing on my time, on my server why shouldn't I be able to be the last word?

Again, since you're concerned, global bans arent an issue unless you're a complete fuckup. ZERO global bans exist for pub games, not a single one. The global bans exist from TDA which has a specific ruleset and a certain level of exclusivity (hoops to jump through). If you're willing to jump through those hoops to get into TDA then decide to be a twat you got banned for a damn good reason and you should be banned for life from DotA games. Now there are no actual lifelong bans as you can just make a new username but you've got to now jump through those TDA hoops again if you want to get back in. That global ban comes with the tag of ultimate fucktard though. You went out of your way to ruin a game and there is a replay archived somewhere to prove it. Don't cry, you did it to yourself.

Personal bans don't matter one iota except to a single person. Not a issue, a ban system in game is coming anyways so  stardock seems to agree. People should be accountable for what they do in a game. Playing in someone elses game isn't a democracy.

I don't play these games to satisfy some guys hard on for being a douche and griefing or feeding or talking mad shit, or getting racial, or leaving. Maybe you do, but I sure as hell don't. Banlists make it so I never have to deal with that person again. Maybe you're one of the leavers, maybe you get your rocks off ruining games. I don't know but there really isn't much of an argument against these kinds of programs. Their effectiveness is debatable but it's better than not existing.

Playing with someone that ruins a game once is more than enough. I shouldn't be subjected to the person more than that.

Global banlists are an extreme waste of time. In DotA, they're largely an excuse to get a slot open for a friend. You don't even have to have a list, as long as you know ctrl+c, ctrl+v. I fail to see how they would be any use whatsoever in a game which is clearly having connectivity issues.

There is nothing seperating this community from DotA. As much as some people might not like it it will turn into a community like theirs. It's the same genre which breeds competitiveness to a level many games dont. You can take any genre and across the titles the community is cut from the same cloth. Take and MMO forum and you'll find the same people in the EQ1, EQ2, WAR, WOW forums, they've all got the exact same community. The only difference is WoW has so many more people than all those other MMOs that it seems like there are more douches.

It's coming, just saying =P

How is an innocent player being griefed onto a banlist?

You mean if you threw me on that banlist for no reason at all? Well if its private I couldn't really care less. If its global you have a point. But, once again, NO ONE will use this website so you can stop freaking out about it.

You make it sound like banlist was created as some sort of world wide griefing tool. It wasn't. It was made so people like me, who host thousands of games can attempt to make it so people I don't want to see again and honestly hope DIAF never get back in. No one can grief with banlist on a global level. No one. On a personal level, yes, but again, who cares?

Ouch Dathurts: we aren't talking about personal banlists here. We are talking about the banlist mentioned in the original post. Shouldn't that be clear? Why did you throw in arguments about personal banlists in the first place?

The point stands, such a banlist is a bad idea because of griefing, depending on the threshold. If it's too low, a group of people can single out another individuum just for personal reasons or for generally being asses. If it's too high there is a possibility that no one will ever make it on to the ban list in the first place.

No exaggeration, this is a common situation 

Senseless to explain that this won't help anyone. It wont't solve anything...

It's ideas like this that convince me that we, as a species, are destined to repeat our mistakes again and again and again.

I've seen this idea is no less than 4 different games. Now, I would wager several of my internal organs that at least a third of the players on this board have, in one multiplayer game or another, experienced a game where a player or group of players has ruined the experience for everyone else involved. Having spent a unhealthly amount of time in multiplayer games myself, I've experienced more than my fair share. However, I either make a mental note to avoid them - if they were really that bad then I'll remember them, and I can't recall a single name off the top of my head as I type this - or I forget about it and move on. I don't code a Blacklist program to help me, and attempt to persuade others, to hold a digital grudge against them. I learnt to forgive and forget in the 1st grade.

Making a community based Blacklist is going to have direct rammifications on another person's game experience. If this concept was adopted by the entire community and became an essential program for all players, banning someone would essentially prevent them from playing their game that they've payed for - just like you did. I don't really trust people to throw that kind of power around that aren't accountable for it's use; Stardock's and Gas Powered Games' employees are accountable to us as a community and as such don't prevent their paying customers from accessing their games. What gives us, any of us, the right to make this kind of decision?

Besides all of that, we have to take into consideration the concept of abuse of this childish idea. If you want to see how a community Ban List is going to function in a game with this kind of audience, head over to the forum game Your Banned!. You'll begin to understand why this Blacklist is a bad idea.

Some people in this thread have stated that this is a good idea, however poorly implemented. I believe it's a terrible idea, and no self respecting gamer would adhere to a system where people with complete anonimity are able to attempt to prevent other gamers from playing their game. There will be an in-game ignore list once the connection issues are resolved, if this doesn't suffice I have only have one suggestion - stop by your local primary/elementary school and pay attention the 1st grade students. You might pickup on something you missed the first time around.

People either don't understand how this works or are incredibly dense.

You have the right to play your game. No one is taking the game away from you. Playing online comes with accountability. Something that has been dwindling over the years. Way back some 11 years ago there was this game called EQ. Playing EQ took a LOT of time, more time than anyone should really devote to a game. But that amount of time spent meant that people werent twats. If you were the ENTIRE server would blacklist you and you'd never get a group again. YEARS of your life down the drain. It was fantastic because people weren't asshats because they knew they'd be flushing their time down the drain if they were.

Over time this all started to fade more and more. Being a complete tardcake started to become the norm. People would join games with the sole intention of ruining them because no one could stop it. More and more people decided to join in because if timmy wasn't going to get caught I wasn't either.

Someone decided to take that old fashioned sense of accountability and bring it back to the RTS genre. They made banlist. Now a host could keep track (without a messy stack of tree murdering paper on his desk) of all the douche nozzles that joined his game so he wouldn't have to deal with them. Hosts rejoiced, griefers cried, and people that seem to think this is a case for the ACLU cried foul.

Banlist, the program people have their panties in a bunch over is only a personal banlist for the average joe. The only way to bring a global ban on yourself is to go OUT OF YOUR WAY to do it. There is no magical feature where you can globally ban someone. In fact YOU WILL NEVER globally ban a single person with it, ever. You....will....never. It isn't some bullshit griefing tool, its a local personal banlist. If spooky is calling everyone a bunch of N-words do I really have to justify my never wanting to see him again? Fuck no. He's done.

A global ban with the banlist program only comes from TDA. Which is a private league you sign up for. The rules are here http://forums.dota-allstars.com/index.php?showtopic=276504   the application is here http://forums.dota-allstars.com/index.php?showtopic=277378. You know full well what you're getting into from the second you sign up for it. So you know full well you're going to get globally banned when you fuck up. It's like getting busted for roids in baseball. You went out of your way to do it knowing full well the consequences beforehand. No one made you do it, you signed a contract, you brought it upon yourself with no one to cry to.

Outside of violating TDA rules there is ZERO, nill, zip, 0 way to become globally banned. The people who can make the global bans are a select group of approved hosts who have to justify every single ban with a replay of the game. All bans may be appealed. NO person can be globally banned outside of a TDA game. So, where's the problem?

Once again, this website will go absolutely nowhere so there is zero need to talk about it like it's going to catch on like wildfire. It wont.

I believe DG will have a system in place that sort of does this for us. The Karma system. Although it will take time to be implemented, it will probably be better than a banlist.

BTW-do not burn the OP for trying to IMPROVE the quality of players... although i do not agree with the banlist at this stage of the game--i do agree with the OP trying to IMPROVE the game.