AndyArmstrong

Yea, actually, the main problem there was the fact that assassins are less competent in 'killing' generals, than the generals actually were.

That the generals obliterate us when ganking together or with all their minions, no problems.

That the generals obliterate us 1 on 1, without any significant minion, at same level, with roughly the same items (we were same levels at the moment), no.

And it's not a pure question of skill. definitely not.

Not enough details.

Where they higher level than you?  Did they pick better gear than you?  Could they just be better players than you?  Was there an item you could have purchased that would have helped?

While you're assertion that it's a balance issue could be correct, please provide numbers, replay, screen shots or proof some some sort.

Crying "imbalance, because I said so" has little effect.

-Jara

IMO people need to forget about the ideas or concept of "Assassin -or- General" every hero should be viable and powerful, regardless if they have minons or not.

Minons are a GEAR choice in most cases or in others require a skill point from gaining a level, in both cases it requires an investment.  It makes little diffrence if the investment increases your personal stats or your minions.

-Jara

PS: "And it's not a pure question of skill. definitely not." Never underestimate the power of denial.

PPS: Both those heroes rely on mana taking items that help you drain mana will hurt them.

Do you seriously think I go ice tb without knowing how to deep freeze ? Really ?

* Silence: Ok.

So anything I spend just to be able to eventually silence you (and not both, of course, will have to choose) will not go to fund other items you do NOT need.

Both Sed and Ereb have stuns / minions / low death ratio (due to heal on one part, mist on the other, just to evade, + priests on support) damage higher than the tb icy rain on a single spell (we have to cast two spells to stun AND damage, where you both need only one).

Also, if we go for deep freeze first, we cannot enjoy the 2x or 3x combo getting from deep freeze, and if we do cast deep freeze first, we do far less dps.

* Investing in other strategies: You know as well as i do that dps isnt really the problem vs a Sedna. I noticed in the game how she didnt invest (or nearly not) in a hp / armor item, wherehas you (as erebus) were buffing it like a mad. Result ? 2 unkillables.

What can we seriously do, with a potential 800 + 500 combo from me (icy rain + 2x combo at the time) and a 800 snipe from reg, when you already have 5000+ hp at level 11 with sedna backing up to heal ? And that's ONLY on one player.

A game balance is about requiring the same amount of efforts from each character with equal skill to potentially deliver a victory.

Those conditions are CLEARLY not met.

And to go on with Frogboy's advice, about the spread stats. Every good or high level sedna / erebus i have met in game simply obliterated the other team, no matter the level of skill in the opposite team.

Want one of the funniest combo ? Try 2 expert sednas. Totally enjoyable.

And i'm not sure we look the most pompous there Frankly

Totally Agreed

Such constructivism !

Erm newbs just dont understand how good sedna is as killing.

Why do you assume that equal skill level of players are playing the demigods?

If you balance things by pantheon stats, you'll ruin the game.  You did it to sins because ai decided it was cool to build nothing but siege frigates, your data said siege frigates where used too much, instead of making ai make less siege frigates.  Don't ruin demigod like that, too.

Sedna is a bit good early game with only 7 second recharge on heal, that's why I think the recharges should be longer on earlier levels, and just 7 seconds when you put more points into it.

Erebus is quite good too..

https://forums.demigodthegame.com/348135/

But the most part, things are close enough balanced that player skill makes the biggest difference.  I'd say Oak is the best, Erebus and Sedna tied for 2nd best.  But they aren't so much better than the others that they're win buttons like TB was in phase3 beta.

I think what would be nice for this game is allowing you to decide how big of a game you want to play...

In panth it sucks when you grab a hero that your happy with 2v2, then you have that hero for a 5v5 (3 comps a side) and have wrong hero...


Sometimes its awesome you picked your hero for small 1 lane maps, but when you got 3+ lanes its like fuck I wish I had a diff hero...

I noticed those two were very very hard to kill as well. Sedna's heal is insane and she feels like a tougher tank than Rook.

I expect though that there is a good counter to this, I just haven't found it yet.

Back to the original point, your playing two assassins that don't fit well together against two generals that do fit well together. Not sure what you expected. I would suggest you get better team balance instead of complaining about how hard two good players playing characters that mesh well are.

Secondly you're saying they are two of the "strongest assassins" you were playing as. In that particular matchup Unclean Beasts DoT counters sednas HoT. Perhaps you should have looked into him on the match since you seem intent on playing pure assassins.

QoT has a damage absorb, will you complain about that as well when you lose a game against two QoT's?

Of course we can change characters.

But the point is that some match-up are just impossible.

Wherehas they shouldn't.

It should be 'possible' to get a win even with the worst possible match-up.

And playing the musical chairs, they could change their team composition too. etc. etc.