Team Torch Bearer Stun Fest

The TB has only a single stun - that's hardly a "stun fest". You're overreacting massively.

I just played a Dota game where we stunned someone for 12 seconds straight. If the Torch Bearer stun is OP, incorporate an item that makes a hero invulnerable to all magic attacks and stuns for 10 seconds on activation.

Quoting DatonKallandor,

reply 1

The TB has only a single stun - that's hardly a "stun fest". You're overreacting massively.

I would assume he's referring to an entire team or simply multiple TB's. If they're working together, it would be entirely possible to stunlock.

Yes - stunlock one Demigod by occupying your entire team. Stunning looks bad because you're not seeing the bigger picture - the rest of the enemy team runs free while you use yours to stunlock one of them.

Quoting DatonKallandor,

reply 4

Yes - stunlock one Demigod by occupying your entire team. Stunning looks bad because you're not seeing the bigger picture - the rest of the enemy team runs free while you use yours to stunlock one of them.

I agree with what you're saying, but on the other hand, I believe strongly that in any RPG (and this game has strong RPG elements) taking away control from the player for any extended period of time is a really bad thing to do.

At maximum a player should be stunned for a couple of seconds. No chain stunning, no matter what it costs the other team to accomplish it. Simply put, it's just lame.

Stun locks can be prevented by adding items that add a an ability to block 1 targeted spell every x seconds. Or mabye giving you a % every x seconds to block 1 stun. However, we must remember that stuns are also an essential part of any rpg type gameplay.

Quoting masterofping,

reply 6

Stun locks can be prevented by adding items that add a an ability to block 1 targeted spell every x seconds. Or mabye giving you a % every x seconds to block 1 stun. However, we must remember that stuns are also an essential part of any rpg type gameplay.

Crowd Control abilities may be an essential part of RPG gameplay, but I disagree that stuns are an essential part. There are better and more interesting ways to debuff and debilitate enemy players without preventing them from controlling their character for stretches of time, however short.

I guess the stuns could be split into two trees too. Silences, and roots.

Also things like stuns can break on damage, or they should have a short immunity after the first cast. I think 30 seconds is too much, more like 5-10 sec seems more reasonable.

This also assumes that a character is going to eventually have more than 4 active abilities to choose from, when they should, since we have so little quantity of actual demigods.

I'd rather see Torchbearer have stuff like Roots and Disarms / Silences as opposed to stuns.

Quoting Heartsbane00,

reply 2

I just played a Dota game where we stunned someone for 12 seconds straight.

The relevance of this is nil.

Stuns are made of fail, it's no fun at all to get stunned.

The real answer here is diminishing returns. Each successive stun on a target stunned in the last X seconds lasts for a decreasing amount of time.

So if you stun a guy for 3 seconds, then stun him again in the next.. let's say 10 seconds.. that stun will only last 2 seconds, then 1 second, then a half second.

I have no clue how long the diminishing return bubble should be - 10-15 seconds seems reasonable to me. I also don't know what the % of duration decrease should be - 30-50% seems like a place to start.

This ^

Quoting DeadMG,

reply 10

Quoting Heartsbane00,
reply 2
I just played a Dota game where we stunned someone for 12 seconds straight.

The relevance of this is nil.

Stuns are made of fail, it's no fun at all to get stunned.

We will agree to disagree. When your playing a tank in Dota, sometimes your purpose is to take the stuns off your carry heroes. Even if I am stunned for 6-7 seconds by multiple heroes and die, as long as my team wins the fight I generally am still having a good time. Plus Dota has items to negate stuns if you want to spend the money to get it.

I just died to a hole bunch of stuns.

I agree it was nto fun.

In general getting killed is not fun, esp if your temamtes are not behaving effectively.

Hey all, thanks for the feedback regarding stuns. I've taken a pass through the stun abilities in Demigod and reduced their effectiveness to mitigate this problem. I'll also be talking to the engineers in the New Year to see if we can get a diminishing returns system in.

Mike "Tyo" Marr
Demigod Design Lead

GPG

Excellent. Diminishing returns IS the way to go. No need to eliminate the mechanic entirely.

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