UB Pro Guide

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UB Pro Guide

This is a guide for mid to very high skilled ub players who are trying to perfect UB.

 

Preface

The unclean beast is one of the strongest and at the same time most difficult demigods to master on a very high level. Multiple pros agree on that he might even be the hardest. Unclean beast has no escape skills, but a lot of hp. Furthermore, when to commit to a fight, who to focus, when to stun takes thousands of games of experience.

 

Chapter 1

Builds

The most common build order is Banded armor + Scaled helm, Unbreakable boots, Nimoth chest armor, Hauberk of Life and Plenor Battle Crown (sell scaled helm first).

This build order is fine in it's way and will get you through any fight.

However, the starting items can vary with ub.

 

Early Sigil

Banded armor + a Sigil of Vitality is a very interesting start. You can instantly go out and don't have to wait at the shop to accumulate enough gold. This can lead to the first flag grab which leads in a pro game to a small experience advantage.

Problems:

  • It puts you 500 gold behind the enemy if you used it without getting a kill.

  • you have less mana to use, so use it wisely, do not spit the tower

So why even bother with an early sigil?

  • you can risk more and always have the safety of having that sigil

  • it messes with the opponents head, who will never know if you have a sigil or not

  • unexpected early teamganks with ports you can easily escape. They waste 250 gold on a teleport scroll and miss experience waves on the other lanes

My tip is if you go for the early sigil play like you don't have one and it will pay for maintaining flag control. Because few players will play down to 400 hp if they don't have a sigil themselves and if they do they either die or both of you use a sigil and it is a pat.

 

Starting with pots

Other alternatives is going for banded armor + 1 healthpot + 1 mana pot. If you're feeling frisky and want to mix it up to mess with your opponents heads it can get you an early kill or give flag control. On the other hand you do lose 475 gold, and will be 475 gold behind. I call this semi all in build.

 

Boots of Speed

Another one which I call an All in strategy is rushing through the map with Boots of Speed. The person who coined this UB was IamKira. Basically you try to overwhelm your opponents and punish them for any miss micro to get early kills. The speed increase from 6.3 to 6.9 can catch players off-guard and is most powerful for teleport ganks. But use with care, keep in mind you put yourself 1000 gold behind from the standard build with an item slot being used by the boots of speed. If you don't kill you lose flag control, race to the good items, and eventually the game--> all in strategy.

 

 

Scalemail

When to use Scalemail, which gives you +600 armor for only 400 gold. You can start out with banded armor and Scalemail and try to win the early flag fights by just dominating longer autoattacks. Throughout the game, when fights are very close a lot of pros will buy Scalemail as their 3rd or 4th item to get an edge of an advantage in fights. It is very cheap and does a lot and will refund you 320 gold when sold. Overall a very good underused item when everyone is gold hungry and cannot finish their standard builds.

 

Mana Controversy

UB needs 1 mana helm with the Blood of the Fallen Favor. The question is which one of the two: plenor battle crown or vlemish faceguard?

The answer is not simple. It really depends on the playstyle and the demigods you are facing.

 

a ) Plenor Battle Crown: +1575 Mana

+70% Mana per second

b ) Vlemish Faceguard: + 1050 Mana

+11 Mana per second

+4 mana per second aura

 

This is my subjective interpretation which helm to use when:

Use helm a if you are a very aggressive player and try to kill a person every time you are in a fight. The reason is you need all the mana you can get what a high regen helm cannot give you in the seconds of the fight.

 

Use helm b if you are a more passive UB that spits multiple times while staying back, or trying to work towers down. The reason is simple you are trying to do damage over time where a high regen helm works better for you than a high base mana pool.

 

General use of mana with UB. As a professional player you know in advance what you are trying to accomplish. There are 2 major objectives in the beginning of the game with UB.

Do I want to work the tower down or fight the enemy at all costs. Usually I see players trying to do both. The problem is if the enemy does conserve all his mana to fight you and you spit just only 1 time on the tower you will lose flag control and will have to retreat earlier to base → losing experience waves and hp on your own tower.

 

My word of advice: always save your mana for a big fight 1v1 or 2v2. Only spit on the tower when you are planning to go back to base anyways.

 

Infamous Ooze UB

-Start with Banded Armor and Scale mail

-Buy currency 1 for your team so they can focus on getting the Bishops/ High Priests for you

Ooze Ub needs to have them early more than another item because of his insane hp pool, no mana dependency, and high armor!

-Get Nimoth Chest Armor, Duelist's Cuirass, Narmoth Ring, Unbreakable Boots (sell Scale mail), Orb of Defiance, Hauberk of Life (Sell Banded Armor)

You have to vary your buy order depending on how the game is going. If it is a passive farm fest go for the big items. If the game is a fight fest buy the very next heath item you can afford.



Chapter 2

Picking the right favor

 

The most common favors are Blood of the Fallen (Botf), Blade of the Serpent (Bots), and Crimson Vial. Other favors might be viable in 4v4s and 5vs5, but sadly this game is 3v3 based.

 

Blood

If you do not know what favor to pick, you can never be wrong with Botf. No other standard item gives you +800 health and +5 health per second. And with UB you will be very strong from lvl 1. You can push enemies away, yellow cap, tank towers, gain higher monk heals, have higher overall hp with hp flag, and higher hp with sigil.

 

Problems and resolutions:

-You have mana issues all game

Use your mana wisely, and always go back to base to heal it up when you are below half mana, or have a support occulus in your team composition

 

 

Blade

Blade of the Serpent I have only seen played successfully by Soccermom. This favor I recommend only for UB players that want to play out advantages, kill towers, and can manage being pushed around all game. If you make it to end game with this favor and have a healer or shielder on your team it is the strongest UB. However the game can be decided early on very easy since you have almost no presence.

 

Problems and resolutions:

-You have a very low hp base until you completed your build for a very long time

Rush all flat hp items first, do not buy mana items at all ( except Unbreakable Boots), don't ever commit unless you know you will win, try to build in a healer in your composition

 

Vial

Vial UB is getting more popular with the day of the game. It is the most powerful build in most 1v1s. However the more players are in the game the more vial falls off. Just like serpent you will get easily pushed around but have no mana advantage. With this build you are planning to out sustain your opponent in lane. And the real advantage comes when you use it after you sigil. The bigger the map the better this favor choice becomes. And if fights last very long and you are not getting stunned you will last the longest with vial.

 

Problems and resolutions:

-mana issues all game and hp issues

Wear your opponent down so your vial takes advantage eventually. Lategame make the opponent commit to fights, because that's when your build starts paying off. As a general rule 8/10 times use vial after you sigil when laning phase is over.

For more information on the favors and Builds contact:

Orcun, Fairlight_, Mythrandar, Zen_God for Blood

OMG_Soccermom, Koush for Blade

Mcshance, nnnils, ppapanek for Vial

 



Chapter 3

Skill points and Level based Aggression


The Standard UB*

The Surprise UB**

The infamous Ooze UB***

lvl 1 Ooze I

lvl 2 Venom Spit I

lvl 3 save

lvl 4 Venom Spit II + Ooze II

lvl 5 Foul Grasp I

lvl 6 save

lvl 7 Venom Spit III + Ooze III

lvl 8 Diseased Claws

lvl 9 save

lvl 10 Venom Spit IV + Ooze IV

lvl 11 Inner Beast I

lvl 12 Inner Beast II

lvl 13 Inner Beast III

lvl 14 save

lvl 15 Putrid Flow + Acclimation

lvl 16-20 Enhanced Attributes

lvl 1 Venom Spit I

lvl 2 Diseased Claws I

lvl 3 Ooze I

lvl 4 Venom Spit II

lvl 5 Foul Grasp I

lvl 6 Ooze II

lvl 7 Venom Spit III

lvl 8 Ooze III

lvl 9 save

lvl 10 Venom Spit IV + Ooze IV

lvl 11 Inner Beast I

lvl 12 Inner Beast II

lvl 13 Inner Beast III

lvl 14 Post Mortem

lvl 15 Acclimation

lvl 16 Putrid Flow

lvl 17 Foul Grasp III

lvl 18 Plague I

lvl 19 Plague II

lvl 20 Diseased Claws II

lvl 1 Ooze I

lvl 2 Diseased Claws I

lvl 3 Inner Beast I

lvl 4 Ooze II

lvl 5 Foul Grasp I

lvl 6 Inner Beast II

lvl 7 Ooze III

lvl 8 Inner Beast III

lvl 9 Enhanced Attributes I

lvl 10 Ooze IV

lvl 11 Foul Grasp II

lvl 12 Enhanced Attributes II

lvl 13 Enhanced Attributes III

lvl 14 save

lvl 15 Acclimation

+ Foul Grasp III

lvl 16 Bestial Wrath I

lvl 17 Bestial Wrath II

lvl 18 Bestial Wrath III

lvl 19 Bestial Wrath IV

lvl 20 Unrelenting Wraith

 * Instead of skilling Diseased Claws you can max Foul Grasp, which is very powerful on Ooze UB and Blade UB

** DO NOT USE POST MORTEM AND PLAGUE I-II UNTIL THE GAME IS LAG FIXED

*** From lvl 16 to 18 you can max Enhance attributes instead and leave lvl19 and 20  open for your choice of experimentation

 

 

The Standard

 

This is the most played UB on almost all Favor Items. You can't go wrong with this skill tree and can accomplish a lot without relying on teammates.

Early lvls you want to focus on farm and lvls. Once you reach lvl 4 or 5 you can start making a few aggressive plays. At lvl 7 is the next point where you usually have the highest damage output and should make a few aggressive plays. Then you should lvl hard again until lvl 10 and take advantage of your maxed ooze and spit. If the games is still even lvl hard till lvl 15 and become an unstoppable killing machine.

 

Pros

-strong burst damage

-excellent tower killer

 

Cons

-has to shop a lot to keep up with the mana needs

 

The Surprise UB

Don't ever play this UB online, but only in Single Player. The reason is it will lag the game insanely and make it unplayable. I call this the surprise UB because you will catch a lot of opponents off guard with the diseased claws (which slows them for 5%). Furthermore It is hard to calculate the damage that plague does, especially end game with Giants on the field.

 

I don't have enough experience to give advice on lvl based aggression


Pros

-excellent burst and surprise

-best aoe UB

 

Cons

-he will lag the game

-mana issues

 

The infamous Ooze UB

This is the newest and most underplayed skilled tree. Cowbuttzex is the only one that has attempted that build. From my own experience I vary on the skill choices and item build. This UB has high reliance on perfect team play. You need the Bishops/High priests on you at all times of the game. Also this is a “I want to fight UB”. So the composition with your teammates has to be right so that they are ready to fight when you are.

 

Early on you will be this massive tank that is hard to get the hp down, and can surprise kill someone with his slow and higher attack speed/movement speed. Around lvl 10 you will be the fastest and tankiest, who does constant damage. Once you reach lvl 15 nothing can kill you. You can literally sit among 3 people for ages. So the general idea is to absorb damage all game and be at full health with Bishops/High priests. And punish over extension, since you can go anywhere late game without dying.


Pros

-excellent long term team fighter

-excellent tank that wants to take damage nonstop

-gets the most out of his aoe ooze

-never “needs” to shop

-no mana dependency

 

Cons

-he doesn't have a real surprise burst

-very predictable

-useless without coordinated teamplay

For more and different insight on the Ooze UB contact:

Cowbuttzex

 



Chapter 4

How do I become a professional Unclean Beast?

 

This Chapter will be me rambling about my philosophy of how to master anything and what to work on to get there. I used my analytical skills and experiences. If you are easily bored skip this part and go to “Applying these skills on perfecting the Unclean Beast”.

 

What a pro makes a pro

On a competitive plate, there are three main skills one has to accomplish before succeeding against others. Mind Control, Mechanical Perfectionism, and Strategy.

 

Mind Control is the awareness of the moment here and now every second you are living. In other words you are awake and fresh and know what you are doing. Think about when you have an adrenalin rush when something exciting happened. You usually can recall every single moment of what happened and made decisions for every single moment while having that rush. Now Mind Control is not as extreme as having an adrenalin rush. However, it is a practiced awareness of the brain to know exactly what you are doing every moment. This takes years of practice.

 

Mechanical Perfectionism is simply put the experience with the work or game you are performing. You just automatically know what to do in every situation from failures before that and apply the right moves as a result of that. For instance, in a chess game you know you can't do certain chess moves because you will fall into a trap, which you fell for before.

 

Strategy, is in general you mapping what you will be doing in the profession you choose. Nothing you do should be a surprise to you or feel new because you know what methods apply in every circumstance. You start out with a mapped plan that changes over time. Caused by the following Variables: mishaps, unforeseen circumstances, doing better than expected.

For example, in a soccer game you have a set line up and an idea to either go full aggressive or play ball control. This strategy changes over time and can be influenced, if your team has a lot of unfortunate mistakes, it rains or your opponent have a better strategy against your line up, and/or your team is having a lot of good plays and everything is working.

 

 

Applying these skills on perfecting the Unclean Beast

 

Mind control

Every single second of the game you are aware of every single step your Character is doing. You almost visualize yourself making every single move and become the Unclean Beast. When you get to the point where you catch yourself walking in a bad direction for one second or didn't know what you were doing you have almost mastered Mind Control. You could call it active thinking, which will power your brain to its maximum, when you can do that for multiple games in a row.

Examples are, I will start walking straight to mana flag and then to mid flag and back in order to gain flags and creep experience. While sitting on a flag or walking towards a flag you think about other options that are available. For instance, while walking to mid flag you see your opponent capturing the mana flag, you instantly go back to mana flag to yellow cap him ( you deny your opponent the full experience of capturing a flag and gain it yourself ). In other words you never find yourself on the map feeling like you are not doing anything because there are so many options that you weight in importance in just milliseconds.

It is important to remember, you don't act on something because you feel like it, but you act on something because you know from experience you will gain an advantage or succeed with your choice unless the opponent makes an unforeseen move that will usually result in an overall advantage for your team.

 

Mechanical Perfectionism

The truth of mastering your highest skill potential with UB is by playing with him every single day and trying out everything. Your teammates will rage at you and you will lose a lot of games because of your attempts. However, your memory automatically always takes note of what worked and what not. It helps a lot if you actively say it in your mind of what went wrong and what you should have done instead to make it right the next time you find yourself in the same scenario with Unclean Beast.

In order to never die you must have died the most. Also, look for games against stronger players where you know you have no chance in “hell” you can win that game. Save the replays and look what they did that made them so much better than you. And conclude why at some point they have so much more items and map control than you. Step by Step you will increase your overall gameplay immensely.

 

Strategy

You don't have to bother with strategy to become an excellent player. However if you're looking in becoming a professional Unclean Beast player it is impossible without it. You have to know all weaknesses and strengths of all demigods in combination and alone, when which item is the most optimum to purchase, when to push a tower or fight the enemy, and how map control works.

This takes a lot of hard thinking and counting in so many variables that are impossible as a new to mid skilled lvl player.

My word of advice: just because something didn't work out what sounded well in theory does not make it a bad strategy. Usually executing your strategy is where it fails and will take a lot of practice. Start by thinking of things that make perfect sense, and adjust them the more they don't seem to work too well.

(Personal Example, I always used to play vial rook in the demo and thought of it as the most powerful rook being unreliable on teammates. But then I got crushed online in multiplayer. A few years after I played against the same rook I used to play in the demo and realized that my strategy was right and I was just poor in executing it because I lacked mechanical and mind control skills. So I tried a new attempt and it became the most popular build to date on rook)

 

In Conclusion

You have to master Mind Control, Mechanical Skill, and Strategy evenly and combine them in order to have a chance in becoming a professional Unclean Beast and over all player. This does not happen over night, this takes commitment and disciplined practice like with anything else you do in Life you want to succeed in.

 

If you are interested in discussing professional gaming and strategy further contact:

ppapanek

Thundercles

Hedgie

Orcun

Koush

Darkliath

Zen_God

 

 More chapters coming soon...

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February 22, 2012 9:27:04 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting JUSThaveFUN,

Quoting LORD-ORION, reply 65This is also how you can escape with UB
Grasp -> Ooze off -> Run
Gives you a 1.5 second head start.

Did you bury the hatchet yet ?

Serendipity

http://www.xkcd.org/1020/

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February 22, 2012 10:23:33 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting LORD-ORION,

Quoting JUSThaveFUN, reply 68
Quoting LORD-ORION, reply 65This is also how you can escape with UB
Grasp -> Ooze off -> Run
Gives you a 1.5 second head start.

Did you bury the hatchet yet ?

Serendipity

http://www.xkcd.org/1020/
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February 22, 2012 10:53:26 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting JUSThaveFUN,
I just believe that burst beats in the long run overall damage in 3v3s early to mid game, unless you go pure super tank.
well ur getting grasp 3 at lvl 14 which isnt exactly early to mid game.. Also in high lvl games the fights tend to last longer (people can calculate very well when to back up, sigil, orb, heal etc) which means with grasp 3 and overall less mana u might be out of mana once u would need it the most...

Anyway it simply differs from situation to situation as u said right..

Quoting JUSThaveFUN,
I'm purely focusing on the best case scenarios where no one makes a mistake all game.
you know its the principle of the game to force the enemy into making mistakes..

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February 22, 2012 12:27:55 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting nnnils,

Quoting JUSThaveFUN, reply 67I just believe that burst beats in the long run overall damage in 3v3s early to mid game, unless you go pure super tank.well ur getting grasp 3 at lvl 14 which isnt exactly early to mid game.. Also in high lvl games the fights tend to last longer (people can calculate very well when to back up, sigil, orb, heal etc) which means with grasp 3 and overall less mana u might be out of mana once u would need it the most...

Anyway it simply differs from situation to situation as u said right..
Quoting JUSThaveFUN, reply 67I'm purely focusing on the best case scenarios where no one makes a mistake all game.you know its the principle of the game to force the enemy into making mistakes..

And so it shall be, thou hast spoken.

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February 22, 2012 3:28:39 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting LORD-ORION,
2nd then you must see people argue with what I actually agreed with, yet ignoring what I didn't agree with...
UB opness for people with the inferior meta gaming skill at the pug and n00b level. That is to say they get caught in the described UB trap easily, and the fight is over. Surely I was angry when I made my post... but it is infuriating to watch the same people say crazy ass shit that just does not jive with the "non-pro/non-friends of pros" community.

Well the there is a very important issue to remember between pros and the general player base. I've noticed this a lot when playing League of Legends as well. Champions/Demigods that have a lot of kill potential and surprise will always seem op for the general players base. However for professional teams it is the champions with high sustain and long term strategical advantage that are considered op. And even though the pro base is less than 1%, most games will be based on the pro games out turns.

Now one could argue is it better to balance for the masses or for the small elite. I don't know of one competitive genre though that was/is successful by not following the latter principle.

 

Quoting LORD-ORION,
3rd, to prove this, go play a bunch of pug/moderate games and take UB every single time, and you will invariably come across people asking you not to play UB, or say UB is banned... ask why....or try taking UB in pantheon, that is a sure fire to watch disconnects as soon as the game starts...

I totally agree with this point. And UB might be the easiest pug stomper there is because of his mechanics and snowball effect. But also consider, real pros can faceroll with almost any champion in non pro games. I've done it plenty of times on my smurfs cause no one will even want to have me in the game with my main, the same way I don't want inexperienced players in my game.

 

I do agree with your adjustments and make good sense to me, except the acclimation nerf. Arguing that it becomes too strong because a team strategy build on UB is: getting the items and nothing else as being op is flawed. 16k gold is i a very good price and almost never reachable in pro games. Saving up to 16k gold has a lot of trade offs for UB where he could buy other items or creeps to keep up with the current game that is going on. Also forcing all the team-objectives on only 2 players is a big trade off where as the enemy team is more evenly balanced with the costs. (I usually love to buy currency with UB, when i have reliable teammates). And without the high acclimation %, UB would be completely useless once everyone is lvl 15. There is nothing more annoying than multiple generals with 6-7k hp. The only thing you should work on is bulwark, adjust the percentage and lower the price in my opinion

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February 22, 2012 3:33:25 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting nnnils,

Quoting JUSThaveFUN, reply 67I just believe that burst beats in the long run overall damage in 3v3s early to mid game, unless you go pure super tank.well ur getting grasp 3 at lvl 14 which isnt exactly early to mid game.. Also in high lvl games the fights tend to last longer (people can calculate very well when to back up, sigil, orb, heal etc) which means with grasp 3 and overall less mana u might be out of mana once u would need it the most...

Anyway it simply differs from situation to situation as u said right..
Quoting JUSThaveFUN, reply 67I'm purely focusing on the best case scenarios where no one makes a mistake all game.you know its the principle of the game to force the enemy into making mistakes..

Yes, but if you can't force mistakes, real professional gaming takes off where rarely anyone will make more than one mistake the entire game.

To get back to the grasp thing. Well usually there won't be more than 1 to 2 kills in the game, and getting the full build on the champions takes much longer, where burst still beats long term damage.

I agree once everyone has their full builds, long term damage will start to pay off over burst, this is why I am currently in love with Ooze UB

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February 22, 2012 3:49:40 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting JUSThaveFUN,
Well the there is a very important issue to remember between pros and the general player base. I've noticed this a lot when playing League of Legends as well. Champions/Demigods that have a lot of kill potential and surprise will always seem op for the general players base.

Yup - that's certainly the case.  In LoL I often get really frustrated when I choose not to take one of those bad ass damage dealers, because frankly, if you aren't using that type of character and the rest of your team is so so, you can only go so far towards winning a game (eg a support sona isn't going to win the game if an AD tryn is useless... conversely, if I was useless as sona and our tryn was doing great, we'd likely win the game). 

That said, I've never found ub OP as some do.  And even if we was, you have to be able to outplay your opponent anyway.  I always get annoyed any time someone freaks out when someone picks a certain dg that they consider OP.  For all you know, X person is utter rot with the "OP" character.  I never really understood the sweeping generalizations that folks would make in the past assuming that X character = instant win and therefore the game is a waste of your time.  That said, you'd be a fool not to acknowledge him as one of the strongest characters in the game, though - and certainly fun to play. 

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February 22, 2012 3:51:17 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting GM-McShane87,

Quoting JUSThaveFUN, reply 67 I'm just naming my strategies that had the highest win percentage from over 1k UB games spread on 3 different accounts and worked the best for me, and made me win 4-5 tournaments.


Quoting JUSThaveFUN, reply 67 I'm purely focusing on the best case scenarios where no one makes a mistake all game.

 

Ahahaha Zen, come on now.  First of all, you won 4-5 tournaments?  You won the first 2 v 2 tournament where you played TB and Oak not UB.  Also if I remember correctly you won one of the mini 3 v 3 tournament with Orcun and Renz who everyone knows could rotate in up to 10 different people as a third and still win.  

And next, best case scenarios where no one makes a mistake all game don't happen.  Even in the greatest game ever played, http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&show=details&id=163978 there were plenty of mistakes.  

Also nnnils is just flat out better than everyone now, so saying you know better than him because you've had one million games and played in (not won) 4-5 tournaments is ridiculous.

Your arguments are very flawed and blurred with our history of arguments. I have decided to keep it 100% professional now, thanks to nnnils.

I won a a few other mini 2v2s after that. Also i was talking in general winning tourneys in gaming.

The reason I played tb was because my partner back then couldn't execute the strategy the way I did with him. But we had a UB in our team. And my partner could play him the same way I did, so I did win with UB after all, no? And yeah the final game i won with oak reg. It's not that I only can play UB at high lvl , it's that UB is the best I've ever perfected out of all demigods next to rook.

 

To come to your 3v3. Yes indeed it was a very good game, however I have seen plenty of games where "almost perfect gameplay" was occuring. So I don't think that game is that more special than a lot of others. Just nice to see that high gameplay in a tournament setting.

Oh and the reason why all 6 of you played so well was because you were practicing this same combo over and over again in scrims before and were well prepared, which professional gaming should be.

Ok here is the deal with nnnils. He is the last true active pro left and is of course currently the best. However, his knowledge on the game is not there where ours is. First he rarely has the chance to play against people of his skill, which leads him to easily conclude strategies that won't work against an organized pro team. There is a reason why masters exists that are weaker than the active students, but can teach them a lot out of experience. I am pretty certain that all of us oldies played hundreds of higher lvl skilled games more than nnnils and can still show him a few tricks here and then.

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February 22, 2012 4:35:07 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting pacov,
That said, I've never found ub OP as some do. And even if we was, you have to be able to outplay your opponent anyway. I always get annoyed any time someone freaks out when someone picks a certain dg that they consider OP. For all you know, X person is utter rot with the "OP" character. I never really understood the sweeping generalizations that folks would make in the past assuming that X character = instant win and therefore the game is a waste of your time. That said, you'd be a fool not to acknowledge him as one of the strongest characters in the game, though - and certainly fun to play.

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February 22, 2012 6:40:19 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

ub is easy and boring to play

enough said 

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February 22, 2012 6:52:37 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting Mythrandar,
ub is easy and boring to play

enough said 
that's why I'm always the brain and you the doer, i'll just say one word: BARONMASTER:P

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February 22, 2012 7:02:21 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

If truly you are "the brain" then you should play support in LoL

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February 22, 2012 7:23:36 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting Mythrandar,
If truly you are "the brain" then you should play support in LoL
I know i should, but pshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, but there are better people with brain and mechanics: Darkliath

edit: the Mozart of gaming

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February 23, 2012 3:37:41 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

WOW, I think there's a few people wearing nappies in order to write their posts without nature interrupting them...

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February 23, 2012 10:05:08 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting Elend_Venture,
WOW, I think there's a few people wearing nappies in order to write their posts without nature interrupting them...

that nappies thing is too good

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February 23, 2012 2:35:26 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

the  most  skilled  UB  is  Blade of  Snake  Favor  UB  .and   we  can practise  it  in  prison  map.

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February 23, 2012 3:16:30 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

my  UB 's  equipments  at  level  10:

 

 

Scalemail,Banded armor,Unbreakable boots, Nimoth chest armor, Hauberk of Life.

 

with Blade  favor  ,i  can  buy two  HP bottle of 800 gold(2250 hp  in  0.5sec),  instead  ofPlenor Battle Crown or Vlemish Faceguard(the  players  who  use  Vial  )

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February 23, 2012 3:40:08 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

re: the BoTs build - I know it's a smidge less than optimal, but I seem to recollect often getting plenor with it.  Certainly not the best thing, but having a larger mana pool to fill up with BoTs provides additional stayin power - especially if you are just working towers, etc.  I'm sure unbreakable is adequate, but the margin for error is decreased a bit (eg if for any reason I waste a cast or don't optimally use bots, the larger base pool would provide more sustain). 

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February 23, 2012 3:53:55 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting pacov,
re: the BoTs build - I know it's a smidge less than optimal, but I seem to recollect often getting plenor with it

I've found this useful if you are just kiting other dg's around that have no range and/or spitting towers early-mid game... I get rid of it later on when the shenanigans start in order to beef up but yeah I have found this very useful too depending on play style.

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February 24, 2012 1:18:36 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting Hui_hui,
the most skilled UB is Blade of Snake Favor UB .and we can practise it in prison map.

Hmm i thought so too for a while, however I've been testing the ooze UB a lot. It's quite difficult how to position in teamfights and to get a kill without any burst damage. I think ooze ub is the hardest to master but the easiest to learn. Snake ub is hard to learn but simpler to master.

Quoting pacov,
re: the BoTs build - I know it's a smidge less than optimal, but I seem to recollect often getting plenor with it. Certainly not the best thing, but having a larger mana pool to fill up with BoTs provides additional stayin power - especially if you are just working towers, etc. I'm sure unbreakable is adequate, but the margin for error is decreased a bit (eg if for any reason I waste a cast or don't optimally use bots, the larger base pool would provide more sustain).
hmm well here is the thing. Usually unbreakable boots should be enough for a long time, and management of the mana can be quite hard sometimes. However super late game even that's not enough mana, but still a lot more mana than any other UB build. So trading of a hp item for a helm can be good if the tradeoff won't punish you. e.g. you have a sedna or other crazy good support demigods to keep up with your squishier hp pool.

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February 24, 2012 2:55:13 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting pacov,
re: the BoTs build - I know it's a smidge less than optimal, but I seem to recollect often getting plenor with it.

Quoting JUSThaveFUN,

hmm well here is the thing. Usually unbreakable boots should be enough for a long time, and management of the mana can be quite hard sometimes. However super late game even that's not enough mana, but still a lot more mana than any other UB build.

Edit: Let re-explain since I forgot something and was trying to sound smart from foggy memory mechanics... (look at the 2 posts below for my brain fart)

UB @ Level 10 fills up about 3000ish+ mana using spit on tower / DG + ooze on normal creep wave (2 archers + 5 minotaurs) using BoTS

Your mana pool with BoTS + Nature's Rec = 3800
With Plenor it = 4800

Spit IV = 950 mana

So basically the choice is 1 extra spit upfront with Plenor (you won't be able to recharge your 4800 pool only 3000ish) or the tasty zapiness of Nature' Rec.



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February 24, 2012 3:28:40 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Mayhaps - just going on memory.  Not sure how that factors in with creep wave + tower spit.  Seem to recollect always casting a spit either immediately after or just before the bots cast.  I believe you get the mana back from each aa, even if its on a tower + mana from each spit as long as the target is still alive and the effect is still going.

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February 24, 2012 3:45:12 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting pacov,
Mayhaps - just going on memory.  Not sure how that factors in with creep wave + tower spit.  Seem to recollect always casting a spit either immediately after or just before the bots cast.  I believe you get the mana back from each aa, even if its on a tower + mana from each spit as long as the target is still alive and the effect is still going.

I knew I was misremembering something for the explanation... thanks for pointing out the obvious thing I forgot

Creep Wave + Tower Spit / DG spit = 3300ish mana pool recharge using BoTS. So it basically refills your mana pool with Nature's rec. The extra pool from Plenor gives you 1 extra spit upfront, but you won't be able to refill that much until more creeps are fielded.

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February 25, 2012 3:49:05 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

hmmm...I seem to always end up with a full mana pool after the bots cast if I cast it with the creep wave and get the spits out on time.... not sure how this works out with the numbers but I am never short of mana.

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February 25, 2012 10:01:51 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting doggu,
hmmm...I seem to always end up with a full mana pool after the bots cast if I cast it with the creep wave and get the spits out on time.... not sure how this works out with the numbers but I am never short of mana.
i feel the same way

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