pacov's League of Legends general discussion thread - strategies, etc

By on November 29, 2011 1:07:18 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

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I've locked/archived this thread/blog and have started a new discussion over here:  http://forums.demigodthegame.com/454943/

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Well, I started a thread  back in August (http://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike.  I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc.  Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.

Super fast background:  I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust.  Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me.  In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards. 

Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:

 New Player tips

  • Play the tutorial.
  • Consider picking up the starter bundle.  It's 530 RP (that's about $4).  You get 8 champs unlocked, a 4 win IP boost and a 10 win XP boost.  It's a pretty good deal (used it recently on an alt account).  You can find it in the game store under bundles.
  • Riot gives you 400 RP as soon as you hit level 5.  It's enough to buy some skins, a boost, or a cheap character. 
  • Learn to last hit!  Last hitting is simply landing the last hit on creeps.  If you last hit, you get gold for that kill.  The number of creeps you have killed is tracked in a value called CS.  You can see this number in the top right hand corner of the ui or by pressing tab.  Here's a really simple tutorial re: last hitting if you are brand new - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheiRB76x5g
  • Read some guides on any character you want to try out.  The recommended builds (what you see when you go to a shop) are not optimal.  The guides include item suggestions and skill orders.  These are very useful in learning decent ways to build characters
  • Use the rune combiner to get level 3 runes prior to level 20 if you like.  You will need 375 IP.  Buy any tier 1 rune that costs 15 IP.  You need to purchase 25 of these.  Click on your rune page.  In the bottom right hand corner there is a button called the Rune Combiner.  If you place 5 runes in there, you can get a random rune that is 1 tier higher (eg if you have 5 tier 1 runes, you will get 1 random tier 2 rune.  Anyway, the math works out such that you spend 375 IP ( buy 25 tier 1 15 IP runes) and you get 1 completely random tier 3 rune.  Some of the quintessences are 2k IP, so if you luck out and get one of those, you just won the lottery.  You can always keep the random tier 2 rune if you end up with something good and don't want to trade it out yet.
  • Consider setting aside IP for tier 3 runes (available at level 20 and above).  You can't purchase them with real money - only IP.  Keep that in mind.

Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends

pacov's misc info

Here's a guide I made

pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo

k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts.  I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so).  We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not.  Caveat complete.

Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role.  You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not).  You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2).  In my case, I'm good at support and adc.  I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops.  Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important.  If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know...  Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it.  I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.

Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles.  Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby.  Say "adc pref."  Do this as soon as you hit the lobby.  Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it.  This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request.  If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref."  In my experience, you generally do not want to call support.  It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible.  If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you.  If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win.  You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.

Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo.  If you solo, you have to rely on yourself.  IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo.  Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good?  That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit.  The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3.  If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect.  When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles.  Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works.  Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles.  Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker.  For example, Bryff is a good mid.  If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered.  In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing.  Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game.  Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support.  If you want that, you can usually get it. 

How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do.  And this is really what I do on a regular basis.  I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at.  For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads.  So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw.  I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ).  Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI.  Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc.  Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out.  Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself.  So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots).  If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game.  Then, do your best.  Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role.  And keep in mind what you need to work on.  For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth.  That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid.  The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team.  So, best to be ready for it.  Put your time in and practice roles. 

One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked.  1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want.  Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT.  2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support.  It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc.  I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL.  People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.

 

Lol King profiles for ranked tracking

I'm not going to update this regularly, so just consider it a snapshot (I'll add a date when I update them).  Anyway, I enjoy seeing folks progress through ranked and keeping tabs on that sort of thing from time to time. 

Snapshot updated 05/28/2014

 Character guides

Mid Ziggs by cow - http://www.lolking.net/guides/7906
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December 26, 2012 6:34:36 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Good indepth vid that explains last whisper/black cleaver - discussing armor pen vs armor reduction.

 edit - short version for the lazy - armor reduction is a stat that can be used by the whole team (eg I attack you and reduce your armor, others can hurt you more because that reduction stays in place as long as the effect lasts).  Armor pen only ties to me directly.  If you have an ad caster, have them go black cleaver and have the adc go last whisper for max effect (eg caster drops armor and then adc pierce thru what's left for close to true dmg).

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December 26, 2012 9:58:50 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

I was in GameStop this evening with my sons and as we were getting ready to check out I saw three LoL cards in the display.  Two were just for in-game currency but the third was a $5 starter pack card.  I ended up picking it up because, well, I like the game and I only own one Champion so far...and it was $5.

You get:

  • Annie
  • Ashe
  • Garen
  • Master Yi
  • Ryze
  • Assassin Master Yi skin
  • 7-day XP boost
  • 1-day IP boost

Not a bad little bundle for a new player like myself. 

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December 26, 2012 10:55:57 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Right on Mauxe, those are all solid champs especially for starting out in their respective roles.

Annie - She'll allow you to last hit cause of her Q's ability to refund mana.  Most AP mids seem to be balanced around being given the blue buff which probably won't happen in your games for a while.  It can be very difficult to last hit with an AP caster when you run out of mana cause of your weak auto-attack so Annie will be a great mid to learn.

Ashe - She'll teach you how to position.  AD Carries when played optimally are glass cannons, and people who start out with the ones who have great escapes like Graves, Corki, Ez, etc learn bad positioning habits.  Positioning in LoL is defined by doing the most damage possible without dying/taking too much damage in return.  If you wade into a fight with Ez and get blown up but escape, you might think that you played okay since you survived but if you team didn't survive along with you, this might not be the case. If you play Ashe, if you get focused/caught you will die but this is almost a good thing.  If you're the ADC you should not be getting caught out by the other team, you should not be close enough to the enemy bruisers to get mauled and Ashe will teach you this fine line to walk.  She also has her fantastic ultimate which will allow you to initiate a team fight if you don't happen to have a good tank initiator on your team, which will unfortunately happen sometimes.  People in this game get way too caught up in lane counter picking and don't focus enough on team synergy but anyway...

Garen - No mana, no energy costs, naturally tough, has sustain.  Great "My First Solo Top" but you might get bored after a while.

Master Yi - Kind of a great pub stomper champion but as far as I know he hasn't really found his place in the meta yet, but season three is just starting so he might end up as a great jungler.  In the meantime, if you have a good game with him you will have a lot of fun playing him.

Ryze - An interesting champ as he will teach you the joy of smartcasting, having a high damage dealer who is also very tanky, and he also has the possibility of becoming a late game hyper carry like Yi does.

Just finished writing all of this and realized it probably looks like its written in a foreign language to you! Good luck with your new champs anyway...

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December 26, 2012 11:52:11 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

nice feedback thunder.  Now get back to supporting me as zyra already.

yeah - i read about those starter packs.  Exceptional deal for new players.  Wish it was around when I started.  Glad you got to pick 1 up. 

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December 26, 2012 11:56:47 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

really good post on the jungler's perspective - http://en.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/15hx8i/how_to_treat_the_junglerhow_to_act_as_a_jungler/

Also see post 2226 above - added some quick notes - useful to understand.

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December 27, 2012 9:00:39 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

So.... really dumb thing that I never noticed until now.  You know how we can see our borders at the load screen (eg gold if you hit gold in season 2, etc)?  Well, riot intentionally suppresses the other teams borders at the load screen.  I always thought that something was just jacked with matchmaking and I always ended up on teams with plats, etc, while the other team got nothing.  Slow is pacov's brain sometimes...

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December 27, 2012 1:20:25 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Yeah, they didn't want to give some of the whinier players of the game a reason to start bitching at the very start of the game.  "They have a platinum player and we don't!  GG, surrender at 20."

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December 27, 2012 4:54:43 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

I really don't think that the borders are a good idea in general.  I've heard that whining can be pretty bad in solo queue ranked, especially if you have jumped from silver to platinum or something like that.  Show borders after the game, not before.

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December 27, 2012 5:27:46 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting Krazikarl,
I really don't think that the borders are a good idea in general. I've heard that whining can be pretty bad in solo queue ranked, especially if you have jumped from silver to platinum or something like that. Show borders after the game, not before.

You are probably right.  I don't really mind it and would just mute any knucklehead that started complaining about this or that. 

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December 27, 2012 9:52:38 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Thanks for the feedback.  Good to get some different insight into Champions.

The main thing I have learned -the hard way- from Ashe is that the last bar or two iss not usually worth wading through the pack.

Patience is a virtue.

 

I tried Yi and, while fun, he was tough to play in a lane.  I did a little reading and saw that I need to play him as a quick-strike-combo and then get out...or a jungler.  I may try some jungle in the AI games to learn that style a bit.

Good video pacov.  Very interesting stuff.

 

 

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December 27, 2012 10:48:12 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

WTH...10 minute Queue...............

 

hehe..  I am position 1 in the queue...and my wait time just jumped from 10 minute to an hour.....

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December 27, 2012 11:09:36 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

servers blew up... about to call it a night.

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December 27, 2012 11:12:30 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

so pacov discovered a channel in lol for older gamers (join TOGA - 25 and up).  Anyway, I met a few solid folks including a dedicated support.  Think I can finally get rolling as adc in ranked starting tomorrow.  If that happens, I'll post a link in case anyone wants to watch me do great or fail horribly. 

 

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December 27, 2012 11:18:09 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

That sounds cool.  I'll check them out as I clearly fit that role.....

Once I figure out what channels are.

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December 28, 2012 12:25:03 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

enjoy - lots of fun vids if you've never seen before - give it a view

 

oh - and just so we are clear... watch a min - you get snoop dog for doing so.

 

also.. here's a better 1 -

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December 28, 2012 2:47:36 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

muahah - love this login screen for lol

http://www.twitch.tv/1pacov1/b/351911759

 

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December 28, 2012 11:39:03 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

I'm digging Yi.  Squishy but deadly. Just need to bide my time and get someone stretched a little too far...  then it's lights out after level 6.

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December 29, 2012 1:33:23 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting Mauxe,
I'm digging Yi. Squishy but deadly. Just need to bide my time and get someone stretched a little too far... then it's lights out after level 6.

if you like yi, you'll probably love katarina - both have incredibly high potential for penta kills due to how their cooldowns refresh.

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December 29, 2012 2:54:21 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Just picked her up...

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December 29, 2012 4:09:51 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting Mauxe,
Just picked her up...

She's best played as mid.  Here's an ok guide for her:  http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/your-ap-katarina-du-couteau-resource-dont-play-with-knives-61072

You'll want to max your w 1st, but typically get 1 point in q, then e, then max w.  Once you get a few points in your w, its easy to quickly clear your lane, which should free you up to roam.  Kat has pretty good mobility with a solid gap closer, so she's quite strong for roaming ganks.  With team battles, its often best to stay back in the fight until a bunch of everyone's abilities have been used and then hop in and kill them all.  Unless you are well fed, if you initiate teammfights, you'll often get killed off unless you caught someone out of position.  Her ult can be shut down pretty easily with a stun, so if you can time things right so that you go in after any enemy with a stun has blown it, you can likely pick up some easy kills. 

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December 29, 2012 5:50:34 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Where's muh bryff?  Only appears when I'm with a group of 5 anymore... anywho - I'm grabbing some dinner and will be playing in about an hour. 

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December 30, 2012 11:51:56 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

k - so let me tell you all about TOGA as that should help explain all of the new folks I've been playing with lately.  A few days ago, I saw this (http://en.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/15iwli/come_join_the_toga_the_older_gamer_alliance_party/) thread over on Reddit and decided to check it out.  And by check it out, I mean I choose to join the LoL channel TOGA and see if anyone wanted to join me for some games.  Well, on my 1st or 2nd try, I ended up picking up a few folks for games.  What I found were 100% of folks with good attitudes, all willing to get on Skype without any hassle.  It goes without saying that there are varying skill levels.  One fella that is really nice only plays support and jungle because he can't cs.  He's quite pleasant and a so-so support any rate.  Met a lady last night that has like 4 kids and all of them love video games (we overhead her telling them what to do while she was playing lol, 2 of them playing call of duty, etc).  Also a really nice lady.  Not incredibly highly skilled, but pleasant nonetheless.  I met 1 kinda annoying fellow who talks even more than me when I'm drunk who was not all that skilled, though believes himself to be.

Anyway, all of that said, I'll still be prioritizing games with you folks over this new group, but I suspect you'll start to see some of these new folks on a more frequent basis.  I haven't quite pegged everyone's skill level as of yet, but I doubt I'll have a tremendous amount of patience for awful/annoying players, but quite a bit for ok ones. 

So, bottom line, really positive overall experience with Toga and you'll likely see some new faces in my games for some time methinks.  Try not to be too negative in voice chat for a bit as we get to know folks. 

 

Oh - and I decided to finally take some time and provide a really good, in depth guide regarding being a good support. I think its worth a look if you have the time.

Even if you are already a good support, I daresay you might learn something.

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December 30, 2012 12:10:48 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Also - meet karl's new bff.

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December 30, 2012 5:03:50 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

we agree this is a bug and I'm not crazy?  Tried to reproduce it, but no luck.

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December 30, 2012 5:20:03 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Well, the support training is hilarious...

 

With how abundant ones ward supply is these days, I almost always have one in there.  With a guy like Taric, you're better off changing it up and taking the outside on occasion.  You can cut them off their retreat easier and give them a nice spanking that way.  Once you make them fear you, the lane is over and they let you zone them out.

 

My carry rarely dies if they're competent, and I never lose the lane unless my carry is just plain bad.  Sadly, support doesn't get you out of elo hell, so I still lose the lane almost as often as my lane goes without dying...

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