pacov's League of Legends general discussion thread - strategies, etc

By on November 29, 2011 1:07:18 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

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I've locked/archived this thread/blog and have started a new discussion over here:  http://forums.demigodthegame.com/454943/

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Well, I started a thread  back in August (http://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike.  I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc.  Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.

Super fast background:  I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust.  Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me.  In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards. 

Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:

 New Player tips

  • Play the tutorial.
  • Consider picking up the starter bundle.  It's 530 RP (that's about $4).  You get 8 champs unlocked, a 4 win IP boost and a 10 win XP boost.  It's a pretty good deal (used it recently on an alt account).  You can find it in the game store under bundles.
  • Riot gives you 400 RP as soon as you hit level 5.  It's enough to buy some skins, a boost, or a cheap character. 
  • Learn to last hit!  Last hitting is simply landing the last hit on creeps.  If you last hit, you get gold for that kill.  The number of creeps you have killed is tracked in a value called CS.  You can see this number in the top right hand corner of the ui or by pressing tab.  Here's a really simple tutorial re: last hitting if you are brand new - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheiRB76x5g
  • Read some guides on any character you want to try out.  The recommended builds (what you see when you go to a shop) are not optimal.  The guides include item suggestions and skill orders.  These are very useful in learning decent ways to build characters
  • Use the rune combiner to get level 3 runes prior to level 20 if you like.  You will need 375 IP.  Buy any tier 1 rune that costs 15 IP.  You need to purchase 25 of these.  Click on your rune page.  In the bottom right hand corner there is a button called the Rune Combiner.  If you place 5 runes in there, you can get a random rune that is 1 tier higher (eg if you have 5 tier 1 runes, you will get 1 random tier 2 rune.  Anyway, the math works out such that you spend 375 IP ( buy 25 tier 1 15 IP runes) and you get 1 completely random tier 3 rune.  Some of the quintessences are 2k IP, so if you luck out and get one of those, you just won the lottery.  You can always keep the random tier 2 rune if you end up with something good and don't want to trade it out yet.
  • Consider setting aside IP for tier 3 runes (available at level 20 and above).  You can't purchase them with real money - only IP.  Keep that in mind.

Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends

pacov's misc info

Here's a guide I made

pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo

k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts.  I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so).  We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not.  Caveat complete.

Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role.  You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not).  You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2).  In my case, I'm good at support and adc.  I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops.  Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important.  If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know...  Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it.  I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.

Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles.  Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby.  Say "adc pref."  Do this as soon as you hit the lobby.  Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it.  This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request.  If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref."  In my experience, you generally do not want to call support.  It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible.  If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you.  If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win.  You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.

Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo.  If you solo, you have to rely on yourself.  IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo.  Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good?  That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit.  The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3.  If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect.  When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles.  Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works.  Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles.  Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker.  For example, Bryff is a good mid.  If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered.  In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing.  Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game.  Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support.  If you want that, you can usually get it. 

How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do.  And this is really what I do on a regular basis.  I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at.  For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads.  So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw.  I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ).  Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI.  Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc.  Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out.  Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself.  So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots).  If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game.  Then, do your best.  Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role.  And keep in mind what you need to work on.  For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth.  That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid.  The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team.  So, best to be ready for it.  Put your time in and practice roles. 

One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked.  1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want.  Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT.  2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support.  It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc.  I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL.  People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.

 

Lol King profiles for ranked tracking

I'm not going to update this regularly, so just consider it a snapshot (I'll add a date when I update them).  Anyway, I enjoy seeing folks progress through ranked and keeping tabs on that sort of thing from time to time. 

Snapshot updated 05/28/2014

 Character guides

Mid Ziggs by cow - http://www.lolking.net/guides/7906
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July 23, 2012 8:45:57 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

You forgot  one:

the CORRECT version is Dare-E-Us. 

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July 23, 2012 12:41:15 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

heh... love this

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July 23, 2012 1:46:12 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

In the spirit of Dark Knight: Why so Darius?

According to this 2 seconds of research I did, you can pronounce it Dare -E-Us, something that sounds the same as that or Da -Rye- Us: http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=darius

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July 23, 2012 2:00:49 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

According to the video where someone from riot pronounced it dare-e-us... heh.  ofc you can say it many diff ways... doesn't mean that's how you say the guys name, though, eh?   Pretty sure riot knows how to pronounce the guys name right, though.

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July 23, 2012 2:25:01 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

I was speaking more for general interest than confirming what The Man (Riot) thinks. Obviously Riot has the freedom to pick which pronunciation they want and we are free to mock those that don't follow it, ahem Kay-lee.  

 

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July 23, 2012 2:48:57 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Hey - I know I was wrong about ms Kay-Lee.   

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July 23, 2012 2:55:04 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

You would think people who demand support in draft mode to be good, but nope goes 0/5/2 and never wards.

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July 23, 2012 4:42:38 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Lag wars vent server down?

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July 23, 2012 6:03:34 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

It will not allow me to connect to the server so I would say so.

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July 23, 2012 6:07:31 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

yah - it would appear.  Hopefully just maintenance.  I can likely suggest another location and get us some admin rights there if its down for good.  I'd be surprised if that's the case, though.

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July 23, 2012 8:03:18 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

You folks are welcome to my Teamspeak 3 server till yalls Vent is up and running again.

 

ts58.light-speed.com:4295

 

Feel free to use any channel.

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July 23, 2012 8:10:23 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

heehee

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July 23, 2012 8:19:50 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Quoting KrdaxDrkrun,
heehee

 

NO LoL for you! till you fix your mod topic!!!

 

Write your reviews!!!!!! You lazy slob!!!!

 

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July 23, 2012 8:32:35 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

I'm sitting in your channel

just waiting for you to appear so that you can berate me

 

I'll do reviews when I feel like it

and today's school workload was especially heavy...

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July 23, 2012 11:13:31 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Quoting KrdaxDrkrun,
I'm sitting in your channel

 

You never entered my 'channel'

 

though that a moot point, b/c they are all mine hahahaha.

 

Glad to see yall use the server though! Hope it servers you well for the time being. 

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July 23, 2012 11:18:19 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Thanks for letting us use your channel carbon was a HUGE help.

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July 23, 2012 11:22:45 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Quoting -Ue_Carbon,

Quoting KrdaxDrkrun, reply 1290I'm sitting in your channel

 

You never entered my 'channel'

 

though that a moot point, b/c they are all mine hahahaha.

 

Glad to see yall use the server though! Hope it servers you well for the time being. 

I am in Angry's Tower of Power

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July 23, 2012 11:57:43 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Ok guys - so, as long as the vent server is down, let's stick with carbons solution.  If the vent server comes back in a few days, we'll just switch back to that.  If you see folks that we play with, please be sure to pass the relevant info on to them.

Teamspeak 3 server

ts58.light-speed.com:4295

Channel = Angry's Tower of Power.

 

Carbon - would you please add 2 sub channels or give me channel admin rights?  I'm thinking we need a team 1 and team 2 subchannel under angry's tower of power (or change the name to lol something, etc).  Tonight we played 2-3 in house 5v5 summoner's rift games.  The ideal setup would have been 2 diff channels (1 for each team).  Anyway, thanks for providing the resource! 

 

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July 24, 2012 12:39:52 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Anyone know if QoT has been released yet?

 

Other things I've been reading about - rumble will receive a minor nerf.  Not entirely sure on the specifics.  I believe it's on his "eletro spear thingee" ability and that it will do less damage.

Let's see... some of the urgot nerf will be undone. 

There's talk about nerfing darius.  No idea what they are considering, but its something riot is looking at - seems mostly related to his ultimate.  The obvious thing would be to only let you cast it one time, but perhaps up the dmg output.  I don't think they will do that, though.

Riot indicated that they will be adding summoner spell cooldowns to the UI.  There's some people pissy about this.  Sure its a nice QoL perk, but the concern is that teams will refuse to engage until all summoners are up in late game battles, etc, as it will be pretty easy to determine when a spell is up, etc.  Having the info readily available will make it super easy to say, don't engage - x person's heal is up in x seconds, etc.

Chog will receive some QoL changes similar to what they did for malz.  No details that I'm aware of, but it might be instant cast on his ground circle spike ability.  By that, I mean he could trigger it without stopping... there would still be a delay between when it launches people up.  We'll see...

And a random, completely obvious tid bit - riot indicates that teams that trash talk and complain with each other have a much lower win rate than those that do not.  Imagine that.

 

edit - oh and cool info graphic on tribunal results - worth a glance:

http://riot-web-static.s3.amazonaws.com/images/news/December_2011/2011_12_16_tribunal/Infographic_Tribunal.jpg

 

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July 24, 2012 12:45:50 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Actually it is rumble's flame spitter they are looking at. They say it is comparable to a constant level 1 crowstorm.

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July 24, 2012 2:08:34 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

ah

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July 24, 2012 7:49:44 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

games at 8:15pm est for those that are interested.  We'll use the teamspeak server (vent servers still down).

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July 24, 2012 8:35:41 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Quoting OMG_Shiro,
Thanks for letting us use your channel carbon was a HUGE help.

 

NP. you folks are welcome to use it for any of your gaming needs anytime.

 

Quoting pacov,
Ok guys - so, as long as the vent server is down, let's stick with carbons solution.  If the vent server comes back in a few days, we'll just switch back to that.  If you see folks that we play with, please be sure to pass the relevant info on to them.

Teamspeak 3 server

ts58.light-speed.com:4295

Channel = Angry's Tower of Power.

 

Carbon - would you please add 2 sub channels or give me channel admin rights?  I'm thinking we need a team 1 and team 2 subchannel under angry's tower of power (or change the name to lol something, etc).  Tonight we played 2-3 in house 5v5 summoner's rift games.  The ideal setup would have been 2 diff channels (1 for each team).  Anyway, thanks for providing the resource! 

 

Fixed now for you sir, but feel free to use any of the channels anyone like I said if you need more than 1. Its a quite server.

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July 24, 2012 11:12:20 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

I've got a 15 person vent server which you're welcome to use - a few other former demigod players (Sarmis, Hellabadass, SocialistRyan, and tshughes) also are on from time to time.  The info is:

vent11.gameservers.com port 4520 password "cashonly"..or maybe "cash only", I can never remember.

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July 24, 2012 11:54:31 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

thx for posting the info - i'll check it out tomorrow.  night!

 

Thx for the games everyone!

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