Dlarimit

I agree with pacovs suggestion - tower rook. (for assassin)

for generals i would recommend knowing them all

I prefer generals (and typically suck with assassins so keep that in mind for the following)

tower rook

At level 10 you should have max towers, max shoulders, 1 in boulder the others in slam.  For starting off i would recommend BoTF, although some people play with vial which is a good item as well.  Some great players also do structural transfer with blade but before you do that be sure to master BoTF or vial.

for equipment you need to work in the two rings.  Bloodstone to be replaced by narmoths - the rook shoulders trigger the life steal.

enjoy!

j

Now don’t take this the wrong way but I took a quick peek at your record and I feel like you are trying to play the support role mainly with a badass on your team, whether it be doggu, kira or your premade.  It doesn’t even really matter that much about the third. I get that a noob third can ruin it but I would suggest that YOU need to take on the main character role and just play some regular games where there is no badass. Idk what alt accounts you have or who else you play with and it may be horrible advice but I think you need to take a step out where you don’t have the luxury of relying on your teammates. YOU need to become the badass.

In saying that, I would suggest oak. We have briefly talked about it before I am all about assassins(slowly branching out though) and I’ve never really played him myself so I have no advice to offer about him but I think his style would match what you are look for. He can be a central character that is usually off doing his own thing and then gank when it matters or he can also team up to wear someone out with penitence and he also has the shield support and interrupts. So he can play both roles, support or just go solo lane but late game it really relies on him pushing ports and doing all that gay oak teleporting shite that he does. I think this would really push you to step out of the support role but still have enough in it to fit your style.  

well now, if you want an oak build i can help you out.  For some reason i thought you knew oak.

(i have 1k games as oak)

favor - BoTF (cloak is viable when you want to do more of a support role, or if you want to have some fun)

1. Shield 1 (always get first)
2. pen
3. DJ
4. pen
5. surge
6. shield 2
7. shield 3
8. pen
9. hold
10. pen + surge
11. soul power 1
12. spirits (or DJ)
13. spirits (Or DJ)
14. spirits
15. surge
16. spirits / DJ

items

1. monks
2. scaled helm + banded armor
3. unbreakables
4. plenor
5. nimoths
6. vlemish (replace scaled)
7. hauberk (replaces banded)
8. bishops

enjoy !

It's not so much stacked teams but there is always one really good player on your team and it just seems like you want more action. IDk. I'm just talking out my ass. I guess what you are saying makes sense about knowing your limits. Like me, I doubt I’ll ever be really great at this game. It’s not even a goal. I just like trying new things out and discovering stuff for myself.  

I actually vaguely remember the game. It was my first few games as sed. I think both of our sednas have evolved greatly and probably ended up at the same point. Mix between support bitch sed and assasin type. I’m not much of a support player even with sedna. I still like her but I feel like people act like idiots around her and then expect you to bail them out. Not a good match for me. I want to kill the whole game not sit around healing your ass.

I’m really liking the occ though. He seems to more assassin-like.

But yeah I’m thinking OAK would be good for you. What do you think?

I actually vaguely remember the game. It was my first few games as sed. I think both of our sednas have evolved greatly and probably ended up at the same point. Mix between support bitch sed and assasin type. I’m not much of a support player even with sedna. I still like her but I feel like people act like idiots around her and then expect you to bail them out. Not a good match for me. I want to kill the whole game not sit around healing your ass.

Yes, I was hugely influenced by Hedgie's line of thought first (not that it's a bad thing - Hedgie is great, it's just that pure debuffer/interrupter/healer is too much for me, and that's why I enjoy playing QoT more than Sed). The comment about people expecting to babysit them is 100% valid. Sedna is always to blame, of course. Not the sad fact you were an idiot and run blindly into that mine field before I sent my minotaurs to minesweep...

It's not so much stacked teams but there is always one really good player on your team and it just seems like you want more action.

Well, sometimes it's 2 really good players (Dreamcatcher and Lols_Seawolf) that bear with my weird build experiments and 100 deaths per minute We play against strong teams only, though. 

I'm just talking out my ass.

Oh... I suggest you see the proctologist, brash! While I'm no specialist, I'm pretty sure it's abnormal (not to mention the difficulties that may arise if you communicate via voice chat!) 

That's always fun too. I haven't played tb in a long time. I used to play hybrid ice with fireball.

@brasher_01:

Thought a bit about your assessment and advice (becoming a badass instead of supporting one, etc.).

Look, I'm a support player (and, at this stage, not a bad one), therefore I naturally want to support a capable carry player. I'm perfectly fine with the opposing team having an equally skilled carry, not to mention with this setup I'm almost always stuck with, like, 25-30% guy as my 3rd teammate. So much for the balance. It's not that I have some kind of contract with Renz/Kira/doggu/etc. (take into account these guys won't play a game if they feel it's severely unbalanced in their favor), it's just a scarcity of 'no noob' games hosted at EU morning-afternoon hours that made me such a shameless support bitch!   

Oops, I did it again! (c) I played a match with Kira (Rook) and nomilarac (Reg) as QoT this evening! Forgive me, brasher, for I have sinned. Well, the opposing combo was UB-Oak-TB, so maybe it redeems me somewhat.

I'm loving Occ, too. I like how he's safe with loads of hp, bishops and reliable escape mechanism! Well, he also deals an insane amount of burst damage with exploding balls and double butt-jump, but that's tangential. Who needs those kills, anyway?

Hmmm.....Well lemmie see who you played against................nope, unforgivable. haha

Well, they weren't bad. I mean, certainly not Kira's/Nom's level, but solid. Moreover, OFF_ is Pacov's alt acc, and we all know it.

Oh, did I mention I've given up using blood, vial or Bots? Pure MCP, baby. I dont care who it is. I need to try me some MCP DA. hah

That's a Pacovian heresy Seriously, though, I think it has a lot of potential on certain DGs. It's definitely for expert players only, however.

You know what ruined this game for me? It was that damn point structure for the DG's from the tourney.

Why? You mean this evaluation system doesn't take into account certain synergies? Say, QoT is very good with Rook (for example), so they aren't just a sum of 2+3 pts?

had to drag me in...

no - not one of my alts - assuming joke, but oh well

The major flaw of that evaluation system, IMHO, is UB was considered 3 pts. UB should have clearly been the only 4 pts DG (at least on Cataract). That would limit UB-including combos and allow pro teams to play good non-UBcentric combinations.

More on that badass vs. support bitch topic.

I played a surprisingly badass Sedna today in a mirror match. My team was... eh... nothing special, mid guys (Rook+Oak). The opposing team was NastyBlade - Oak (who's very good), Bywcio - Rook (whose skill level I'm still not sure about: it seems to fluctuate greatly) and... don't remember who was it, a bad Sed. I got cur1, cur2, fs1, catas, giants, 6 kills (out of 7 the team made) and was +4 levels to everyone else (no kidding!).

It was a baaaadasssss brutal Pounce-Heal brasher-blessed Sedna! The main issue was my teammates (they weren't horrible at all) had no idea how to support me. They tried to get kills and stuff instead of porting in and supporting when needed. We had a smashing advantage till very late into the game, when my teammates didn't pay attention to portals, and our cit got destroyed by creeps, no less.

In other words, I think the problem is everyone wants to be a badass in this game and virtually no one knows how to be a support. So thanks, but no, thanks. I'll stick with support characters and maybe learn some defensive, cautious, hp-stacking Occ. Hah, a blasphemy!

I need a faster Occ. I'm going to give that a go tonight. Early magnus/jtread or maybe cheaper speed boots/wand-maguns-tp item slot.

I wish I could get my replayer to work. I've never been able to watch a replay that was posted. I don't even know how other people play him. Have no clue where to download the file to. Maybe its a good thing idk how other people play him.