Why is it that the kids who live and die by UB spit insist that they can land it 100% of the time. I mean, if you know what the range of spit is, you can constantly stay outside of it and bait him in / waste his time. Ooze build is for late game domination, spit is for easy noob kills. Anyone who gets spit on twice, and sticks around, is a tool. They were asking to get killed. Boots of speed as my starting item for my beast seems to do the trick as far as staying away from spit early game. Once I have my first set of items then I can fight the other beast. People forget how quickly you can level in this game. Especially early game.
So long as you don't get spit on twice in a row within the first 6 minutes, you own that spit beast free for the rest of the game. I just did this same thing again today.
My team - reg, tb, beast
Their team - ub, ereb, oak
I won (duh).
Spit is fun vs specific dg's / builds or its a godsend vs any noob playing any character. But if a player understands spacing, builds, items, levels etc. they know how much dmg you can do at any point, where you need to be in order to do that damage, and how to avoid said damage. It's not like when you play me I'm going to just right click on you and let you spit me to death all day.
It's not that easy. In my experience I have found that spit beasts cap out around 5700-5800 HP while I clear 9k HP standard towards late game. You can spit on me all day, with 9k HP, 12kHP sigil, it's sorta irrelevant. Early game I just need ot pick and choose my battles.
I also find that most people will spit as they engage in battle. This way they can spit, fight, then spit as you run away. So I start the battle off with a grasp..... wooops stunned your spit. sorry I hope the cooldown's not too long. You can pull this off with proper kiting. Running back and forth. You close the gap incrementally and make him think you're backing off each time you walk away. Since spit range > grasp range, you jsut need to work your way in. If you kite long enough they will get lazy and just sit at the flag because the past 100x they tried to advance on you you ran away. Now that you're in their head, you walk right up to their face and grasp.
It's also the mentality of a spit beast player to be too aggressive. I never met a spit beast player who takes his time and sets up the enemy for the kill over time. IT's always, run in spit, chase, grasp, spit some more, chase past towers.... then they get ganked - or I pop a sigil and laugh, or something silly. They have this inflated sense of invincibility.
It's also in the mentality of a spit beast player to forgoe any team work once they have all of their items and the spells they want. They go into hunter mode mid game. If you're stronger than them, fight them, if you're weaker than spit guy, just keep leveling. It's like they forget that you still get levels / gold from killing creeps and capping flags. Just because you did it early game doesn't mean you should stop once you have enough power to kill a demigod. I prefer ot continuously creep out level and out gold them, and have tp's and gank for my kills. Ganks always work better than chasing someone over aggressively.
I got 3-4 kills in my game today ooze beast vs spit beast. 3 of them were vs the spit beast. Boots of speed guaranteese that I can constatly feint and kite back and forth outside of spit range and waste your time. Frustrate you, and make you want to attack me / chase / and do stupid shit.
I'd lock the HP flag, kite the spit beast, make him hit me so im low on health, then he would chase. Allies TP to the locked HP flag from behind the spit beast - I pop a sigil - wooooops the tables have turned.
I play a reactive game, where I adapt to my opponent, but I force them to play the game my way. Sounds confusing but it isn't. Ever notice how with a spit beast you have to go to the crystal to grab some mana from time to time? If I go ooze, and have an ally priest I can stay in the battle field indefinantely. Even if I have 12 hp, I can go cap a flag then come back to the priest and farm creeps near my tower, and use my speed to run away if someone tries to come in for the kill. It's like compounding interest. The play style pays dividends in the long run, you are guaranteed the win if the game goes long, and vs good players the game WILL go to giants. The game isn't about killing other demi gods so much as it's about not dying and controlling space / map / flags / creeping and holding an advantage.
Or my favorite early game is cap the mid flag, cap a side flag. feint, run around util the enemy recaps the mid flag. I kill the creep wave in my lane, and as the spit beast wants to move in for the spit, i go to the middle flag and cap it for xp, then i return to the lane again, get another creep wave outside of spit distance, as he moves in, go back to the middle flag and cap it again. I'll be at level 6 by the time he's at 4 and I don't waste my money on a mana helm. With straight ooze I own the oak early game because oak is generally weak early, spit beast I avoid and erebus I avoid. Then mid game I rape erebus all day, erebus has a slow enough attack speed already, then you count ooze, I have my finger on "grasp" and count his HP, as it drops to a sufficient level where he wants to bite - I cast grasp. Oh crap, erebus is low on hp and bite is on cooldown, trying to run, oh wait I have disease claws 1 and boots of speed, cross screen snipe from my ally, gg. rinse and repeat.
Late game I can 3v1 and not die. Acclimation is king. Its the most broken spell in the game, 1 penitence, 1 bite, any move that does 400 dmg, gives me a damage reduction effect, not to mention ooze's 40% attack speed reduction, I have insanse armor / HP and fast move speed to retreat and sigils. It's so simple easy to do.
And for those that don't know I have 400+ games played, and 85% win ratio, I play vs premades, with pugs etc. I don't pick and choose my games. I've played every organized team in demigod, and beaten all who agreed to play me. Replays at gamereplays.org if you don't believe me. Not gloating, but it's like, I give people the keys to success and they think I'm kidding.
Like on one replay this guy was like "man, all you did was sit by the flag and not fight, you didn't get spit, you didn't get early kills, omg that's terrible." Yet, I beat 2 top 10 players with a pug team full of randoms I never played with before (replay online). People see the choices I make in a game as bad play, but I never lose, I always win, no matter the odds. It begs the question.... what are you smoking? If what I'm doing is winning constantly vs players you can't even hold a candle to then perhaps the "mistakes" im making were gameplay choices that I made for a reason, if you look deeper into the replay you can try to figure out for yourself why I do certain things and see the effects of those choices. If I'm winning I must be doing something right.
Spit dominates rook, tb, reg. it's only average vs the rest of the cast and useless vs some.
Also, I play random. I started with unclean beast, then learned sedna, then erebus, then started going random..... from game 40. I maintained a 85% win rate while going random as a "noob." most people here would never play with someone who has 40 wins. I also started playing 3 months after the game came out. I have skills that I've honed as a starcraft player pro warcraft player and a top 20 red alert 3 player. My unit control is impeccable. If what I do doesn't work for you then you don't have the skills to do it, and if that's the case I ask you to learn more, watch my replays and try to really understand whats going on. Don't just watch me, watch everyone, watch what items everyone buys and watch me adapt. Watch at 1x speed, i mean.... with all of the posts I've made, the guides I've written and the replays I've uploaded - if you still don't win 85% of the games you play, then you suck or you're ignorant. This game is easy to steal someone's strats and play style. You only move 1 unit around. Just copy what a top guy does. See the choices they make, you will notice trends. Those trends turn into rules that player lives by, and if it works for them, and they're better than you, then the rules are good enough for you as well.