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Demigod Overlay Updates

By Frogboy on September 29, 2009 1:14:50 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

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I was so hoping to have this to the public this week but there’s various doublebyte vs. unicode issues that have to be dealt with that is total grunt work but has to be done to make sure this works on all languages.

Anyway, this isn’t a mockup but you can see what we’re going for.  In the lobby you’ll be able to learn a bit more about other players from within the game.

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Reply #51
lifekatana
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September 30, 2009 3:59:32 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Oh this akward...

 

well it depends..=D which combination and in which sequence you equipped them..

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playgroundlegend
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September 30, 2009 6:12:00 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

If you want to make a website / or image larger hold control and scroll up or down with your mouse wheel. I use vista 64, works for me. Pretty sure it's in every version of windows after at least 3.1 possibly 95. Hope this helps.

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Spooky__
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September 30, 2009 6:25:07 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting playgroundlegend,
reply 52
If you want to make a website / or image larger hold control and scroll up or down with your mouse wheel. I use vista 64, works for me. Pretty sure it's in every version of windows after at least 3.1 possibly 95. Hope this helps.
That's a feature from modern browsers. IE got it with version 8...

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Reply #54
Bier_Kanonier
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October 1, 2009 12:09:39 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

This overlay is a step in the wrong direction!

This game is made for premade team matches!

I think the BIGGEST problem for Demigod is that we can see the oppont team! As a result we can check opponents name and stats before a ranked game starts, seeing opponents Demigod is a FAIL(needs a function that makes doubles or more impossible)

Never seen this in a game with RANKED LADDER!!!!!

This game needs TEAM AUTOMATCH

--> I invite 1-5 friend(s) in my team

--> push start game

--> game puts my on a queue

--> matchmacking system finds opposing team (maybe it will tell me which kind of games are available: 2v2, 4v4, 1v1 for instant play or wait for 3v3) 

--> RANKED GAME where I dont know the others Demigod, their names and their performance before game started

the 3 minute "I quit because game doesnt count" function needs to be removed in this case!

 

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iamKira
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October 1, 2009 4:25:06 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

All we need is a TEAM AUTOMATCH indeed.

No new DGs, no Pantheon, no overlay, just a Team Automatch that put people with similar skills agaisnt each other without either team knowing in advance who they are playing...

This overlay thing is going to decrease the overall number of games played.

It's difficult enough to find random people and get a game going. With this, people are going to be even less willing to play...

I fear this is going to alienate lots of players and the players pool will diminish.

Kira

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Reply #56
AmaZinG_HerO
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October 1, 2009 8:49:29 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Team Automatch FTW.

Thing is, when the game lobby is in peak times, i usually see 3-4 games up, all premades, all 3/6 full.

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Lead Farmer
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October 1, 2009 4:06:28 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

This is a step in the right direction, especially when new players enter the lobby, they can assess the competition.  If you are 10-50, odds are you will get a Grade A major whoopass by someone who has a record 300-50.  And then the entire other team each have 80% record.  Its annoying to see games that says 'all welcome' or some variation of it, and when you check, these are premades with good players.  Then you check your teamate's record and he's a newb with a 1-10 record.  Guess which team is going to win?

Automatch is great concept, this needs to be added.  Helps both custom and Patheon games.  Sometimes when no good custom games, jump to Patheon.  Then it ends up with you and newb teamate against two good opponents.  Again, guess who's going to win...

This at least slows down the rampant abuse and makes for more even playing if people bother to use this feature.

 

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tperge
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October 3, 2009 6:50:56 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

This is a good thing.  I am a pug player exlusivly.  I have no problem with premades at all, but this will sole one major issue

 

UNBALANCED TEAMS.  Premade or not a team that is all 80%win vs a team that is 40% or less win sucks.  It is a pain to have to tab out to check stats.  It should have been in the game from day one.  It will not be the death of the game or premades.  It will make it harder for good premades to find a game BUT:

I think that most people dont care aobut having a perfect record themselves, but at the same time noone want to play a game where they are obiously gonna get stomped.  This should help prevent wildly unbalanced teams.

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DalzK
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October 3, 2009 7:40:03 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Maybe if you could host unranked games people wouldnt care if they got or didnt get stomped vs premades

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kurthnaga
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October 4, 2009 9:03:11 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

this is a perfect example of that saying "there are 2 sides to ever argument"

i only have 1 friend who plays, and he doesnt play much, so i only play PUGsive never had teh issue of sneaky premades, but anyways, we need frogboy to see this post.

this game is for premades, and id rather avoid the prospect of finally getting a premade together and then finding out they're extinct.

There are both pugs and premades players who antagonize the other, and the sooner every1 gets this simple truth, teh sooner it can get fixed....

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Sarmis
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October 4, 2009 3:36:48 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

This update is going to singlehandedly force me out of Demigod.  I'm taking a huge courseload this semester, so I basically only play when people from my premade drag me on (tshughes, futileemotion, socialistryan, etc).  I like playing with good players on my team, ones that I don't have to cover for, ones that help me buy currency and xp.  I tried playing with a balanced game with Pacov the other night, where we got 8 people on vent and then tried to balance the team - and I don't *like* playing with bad players.  I'm incredibly busy, and I don't want to spend the limited time I have to play DG playing with random teams.  

 

But tshughes and futileemotion and I won't be able to ever get games again, except perhaps against one of the 5-6 premades that are good enough to hang with us.  (I think we've lost one game together that wasn't DC caused).  We can't schedule games, we are all busy college students, and so when we get on, the odds are that there might be one or two other premades playing at the same time.   So we get to sit in a lobby and wait for that elusive other premade to play us?  What if there are 3 premades on?  One is just SOL?

I don't have time to sit there and wait half an hour to get a game of DG.  I don't have the time to play with the people that aren't my friends and don't talk on vent and just piss me off with poor play, and it's almost impossible to get a game with another good premade.  ('specially when there are some people - darkwolf/peacefulbluesky for example, that are just way too rude and annoying to waste time playing with.  It was a very funny moment when I discovered that the only two people I kicked on sight for being complete jackasses in the lobby was the same person with a name change.)

I got this game for the sole purpose of playing with FutileEmotion, we spent a few weeks researching what game we should get this summer, and tshughes has become a very good friend.  But we don't have time to spend a half an hour waiting for every game.  So I don't know what the answer is.  *shrug*.

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HorseStrangler
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October 4, 2009 5:39:04 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

You people are being ridiculous.

When you say this will kill premades and thus the game, you're using two blatant contradictions as your premises:

  1. Premades are a such large part of the population that losing them would kill the game
  2. There aren't enough premades to fight each other

 

Currently you have a LOT of premades who get frustrated waiting for games and just fight pugs... but what happens to the next premade that tries to find a game when you're off playing some pugs?

I don't see how anyone in this thread who doesn't work at SD/GPG (and probably not those guys either) really knows what's going to happen when this goes live. Will this enable good PUGs to finally get choosy with their teammates and stand up to premades? Will there be an influx of strong puggers who are willing to play with each other when they know there's no one terrible on their team who's going to feed the premades? Will it be easier for a premade to find games because other premades won't be as likely to be fighting non-premades?

 

It's also quite possible that without pugs to feed on premades simply won't have anyone to play, but if that's the case then we premades are probably a much smaller percentage of the total population than you guys seem to think and that SD is probably making the right call by not catering to us.

 

This might be a good or bad decision, I really don't know, but neither do all of you other guys posting here.

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October 4, 2009 5:44:32 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Also let's face it: we, the premade community, are going to have to change our playstyles to make this work. I constantly do 2v2s with a friend of mine and I refuse to do crucible with generals. A lot of you guys refuse to stop playing 3s, 4s, 5s, you won't play on any map other than Prison, etc. etc.

The premade community is sorely splintered by all these informal rules and habits. At some point we're going to have to pick a bracket and open up to a much wider range of maps. I can guarantee you 5v5 isn't going to work. 4v4 probably won't make it either, which means 2s and 3s are most lilely going to be the standard format, and we might even have to ditch one of those, meaning we'll probably all need to accept the 3v3 format in the end.

I'm more than willing to pick up another good player and jump into 3s, but you guys who are stuck in your ways may end up being unable to play with this new system and while it's partly the system itself's fault, it's also going to be yours.

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ogham
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October 4, 2009 6:01:08 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

That looks like the first mod I was intending to build.  Nice job.  Can't wait to fuzz your Unicode strings and find some bugs.  

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pacov
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October 5, 2009 1:10:13 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Any updates, Froggy?  Can we expect this to go live this week?  TIA!

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CelMare
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October 12, 2009 10:27:13 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

btw. why does it show only have or less the games played than it says on the website stats? the win % seems correct but the number of games played is to small. first i thought its due to the reset but on the only stats page i still have my old number of played games. additionally after the claimed reset (that didn't really happend for all players) i haven't played so many games as it show in the overlay.

so still messed up stats? btw. ladder ranks are still odd.

 

i really don't get it... the simplest thing in programmers world is to program a damn ladder and this think is so bugy that its worth being mentioned in the guinness boo.

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October 12, 2009 3:49:19 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

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October 5, 2009 1:10:13 PM

Any updates, Froggy? Can we expect this to go live this week? TIA!

Yea he posted somewhere else (forget where) that its expected to be officially in this week

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LorLor
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October 25, 2009 12:05:14 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Not sure if this is the right spot but needed to post this and get it off my chest.....This post will probably get some criticism, I guess so be it.  Everyone has a complaint or compliment  about something that is updated in a game. I would be no different.  As much as I like the overlay I also hate it. I have no problem with people seeing how many games I’ve played and what my win % is. What I hate is that everyone can see the familiarity of players. Yes! I understand that helps against premades and being stomped on. But people assume right off the bat that we are out to stomp someone and get thrills off of their destruction. But in my defense of premades or at least in my familiarity with one particular player…he is my boyfriend. We decided to purchase this game together the night it came out and we have had fun playing together. Since the overlay came out we can’t get a game anymore. I work a full time job so the only time I can play is at night and of course I’d like to spend time with my boyfriend and what better way to do that and still be able to play a game.  We do 2v2 but also enjoy 3v3 and 4v4, we have no problems letting in someone new and actually welcome the new player on the team, we enjoy giving pointers and helping them out. We don’t always win our games but we also don’t’ rage quit we see it through or concede when we know we’ve lost. Recently he hosted a game and we waited and waited with no luck. I believe the wait was 30-45 minutes. He finally abandoned the lobby and rehosted it with the title “lemme play with my gf”  all because everyone saw our familiarity. To me with that overlay it’s ruined the fun because I can’t play with him anymore and even with other people I’ve met once the familiarity reaches a certain level we are now a premade. I host my own vent server, if you happen to join our team and you seem nice enough I’d have no problem in giving out the vent info so you could join us since playing and typing at the same time is not always the easiest thing to do.  It’s disappointing to me that I used to enjoy this game but the wait time has gotten ridiculous and then this overlay that doesn’t allow me to play all because my familiarity with my boyfriend is high. At the time of this writing it was at 90%...since it's been several days since i've played it's dropped to 72% but the problem is still there I can't play with him because people assume that we are out to destroy them again, we don't win all the games.  
 

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Thanatosesc
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October 26, 2009 12:42:13 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

To answer the post above about 'premades' and how hard it is to find games.  I think the real problem is the players.  People assume that high familiarity means that team will win.

My 'premade' group is with 4 friends (usually only 3 of us are on at a given time) and we have a horrible win percentage.  I would actually venture that we've won 1 out of 10-15 games.  Bottom line is that together we suck, individually we're not bad, but togehter I think creeps could kill us; but if people just quit because they see numbers that they think are high, that's going to lead to wasted time for everyone.

At the end of the day, I wouldn't change the overlay; the information is useful and if there are 2 players that have a 85%< win and a 80%< familiarity with over 300 games, I'm assuming I'm going to get my butt kicked.  That's information I want to know, but people should stop quitting in the lobby when they see familiarity in the double digits... look at all 3 stats (win%, games played AND familiarity).  If you're not happy with the numbers, ask for a reshuffle of the teams (Now that we have stats built in, it would be nice to have a button for this).  Quitting in lobby without taking a real look at the numbers is not helpful for anyone.

[spreading rumour, I have no proof]

As to your comment about waiting for a long time for the game, I've heard that after a while the games don't show up in the browser anymore... it is worth opening a slot and closing one... or starting a new game to be put back on the browser

[/spreading rumour]

So, in summary:

1- Try and look at all numbers BEFORE you quit from the lobby

2- Ask to shuffle teams if you're uncomfortable (don't quit as your first response)

3- If you see a game with ThanatosESC, Hydrophoenix, Volo78, YavenX; yes we're on vent, yes we're a premade, yes we will lose. (but we'll have fun doing it )

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