Pacov's Game Replays

By on September 28, 2009 11:35:51 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

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I've been saving a few of these and finally got around to uploading them over at gamereplays.org.  Head on over there to check them out if you like.  2 good premade matches and 1 silly UB match.  And 1 4v4 team pacov skirmish.  Additional details are available through the links. 

Here's a great premade v premade game that my team lost.  Our opponents were AWESOME at flag control. 

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&tab=upcoming&show=details&id=97930

Premade v Premade

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&tab=popular&show=details&id=96869

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&tab=popular&show=details&id=96867

Silly UB Game

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&tab=popular&show=details&id=96864

TEAM PACOV VS TEAM PACOV

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&tab=upcoming&show=details&id=96870

Here are a few more from my 4v4 Ventrilo only balanced games:

 

 

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September 29, 2009 6:29:11 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Thx for the replays Pacov!

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September 29, 2009 6:45:56 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

nothing good about first one for forces of darkness (except kalels perfect stuns and me dieing 10 times)

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September 29, 2009 11:04:55 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

I'll stick one of my own replays here:

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&tab=upcoming&show=details&id=96908

 This is a 2 vs 2 mirror match (UB & Erebus) on prison, and goes a long way to show why Prison is a dull map.

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September 29, 2009 11:23:26 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

I'll stick one of my own replays here:

sneaky! 

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October 9, 2009 12:33:55 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Here's a great premade v premade game that my team lost.  Our opponents were AWESOME at flag control. 

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&tab=upcoming&show=details&id=97930

 

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October 9, 2009 1:24:12 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Thanks for posting.  Learn alot of new things.

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October 9, 2009 3:20:50 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

That was a pretty good game Pacov.  The intitial Sedna-UB mirror tango lasted something like 3 minutes before we dropped Trousersnake.  

We get XP 1 very early, and currency pretty much as soon as possible (aroud 7:15)

9:07  You've got a flag lock (your second of the game) on the damage flag, and we are nowheres near it.  It's completely wasted.  You guys still don't have currency or XP1.  Meanwhile, tshughes and futile are simply unloading in the ere/oak mirror match on the other side.

10:29  You guys drop the third consecutive flag lock on the damage flag.  That's 1k you've spent on locks so far. We just dropped our first lock on the arti flag, but thats to go back to shop.  Note: this move works a lot better on Cata.  They don't realize they don't have time to drop that and walk there and back, so we end up losing this flag.  

11:18  Pacov finally gets currency, 4 minutes after our team.  Still no xp1.  War score is 2908-2651 us.

12:15  You can't get that portal flag back, I show up every time you try.  In the long run, this destroys my level - I'm outleveled most of the game, since I spend so much time over there while you get the creeps from our portal.  On the bright side, we looooove our war score. 3267-2894 us.

13:04  Purgespam and Kalel are a collective 1-4 in the mirror match on the other side, that 1 kill coming in the first 3 minutes.  

13:10  Pacov gets the nuetral portal flag back, finally.

13:25  Purgespam finally switches sides.  He shows up at the Damage flag with Trousersnake while I'm dancing with pacov at that portal flag.  Right now is when my teammates tell me about this, and tell me to get out.

13:41  I'm not listening.  I walk right into Purge and Trousersnake.

13:46  Purgespam penitiences my initial heal.  It's a bit of luck, but it's going to have brutal results for me.

13:57  I die due to spit.  Just a few hundred health short.  tshughes coming over is too late for me.

14:28  your 4v3 push us back after we grab the portal flag back.  Right now the only flag you have is the damage flag (which, of course, is worth any two of the others).  Warscore 4020-3304 us.  you guys still don't have xp 1.

15:05 I tele in in time to stop a 4v3 gank.

15:49  You guys buy priests.  I don't know how long we've had them out, but we do.

16:12  My teammates come bail me out.  It's a good thing they know how stupid I am and cover my ass.  We know have all four middle flags.

16:32  pacov switches sides, since no one has been on the left in a while (and we have the flags).  As soon as he gets to the flag tshughes portals in and futile walks up.  We do love our flags so

17:08  Kalel has to tele to get Pacov out after he tried to get another empty flag.  War score: 5020-3876

17:30  Purgespam finally manages to get the portal flag on the other side.  

17:44 Kalel turns the other flag yellow.  That won't help much  Speaking of which, kalel abuses the heck out of mass charm.  He casts it all the time, when it does almost nothing.  There are *times* mass charm should be cast - but that is a very small subset of the times he uses it.  

18:07  You guys have xp1.  Not sure when you got it, other then way too late.  You also pick up the damage flag.  Meanwhile, we have xp2 and currency 2.  

18:40  Trousersnake and Purgespam manage to get SocialistRyan at the health flag in a 2v2.  Your team has gotten the last two kills, and controls 3 flags.  

20:10  You guys still control the two nuetral portals and the damage flag.  We just got Angels, and are waiting for Ryan to return to get cata.  War Score : 5797 to 4728

20:44  We go get both portals back.  It's portal locking time!  You guys only have the damage flag, and we just picked up cata.

21:46  Purgespam gets to a portal just as the lock drops, just in time to see tshughes come in and lock it back.

23:24  Trousersnake gets back to that portal, and manages to turn it yellow just before one of our team teles in to relock it.  

24:58  We just dropped the other portal flag.   You guys get angels.

25:18  You drop the damage flag side portal.  Some sloppy portal holding on both sides here.

26:19  Pacov tries to go protect the other portal.  tshughes, ryan, and futile have other ideas, and thus he gets ganked.  Your team has catas now.   Note: there is now a total of 9 kills in this game after 26:21.  The four that kalel/purgespam gave up in the first 11 minutes in the oak/eb  mirror match, the one on me where my heal get penid luckily, the one on trousersnake after the 4 minute dance marathon at the very start, and the early early kill on futile, and the 2v2 kill where Ryan died at the damage flag midway through.  It's hard to get many kills against teams this well coordinated.

26:39  As I say that, I go in to lock the damage flag against Purgespam and Trousersnake.  I miscount the countdowns and my tele out gets stunned.  tshughes is my baby though, and he comes and stuns me out.  We've now got giants out and all the flags.  This is where we make a concerted effort to push the middle with our creeps.  War score: 7643 to 6325.  You guys have catas to our giants.  We are underequipped in comparison, but we have xp2, curr 2, the first two blacksmith upgrades and the first armor upgrade,   None of which you guys have.

27:50  You can't do anything about the giants.  You make two attempts at the portals, but we tele before you even get there every time.  Game over 30 seconds later.

 

The big difference, as pacov pointed out, was mostly flag control.  However, we were far more effecient both with gold and with getting our citadel upgrades.  At the start of the game, we already know who is going to get Currency and XP 1.  We get them as soon as our warscore pops - and the other team gets them far later.  We use fewer flag locks early, never use pots.  There was the time trouser dropped the universal gadget and failed to get the kill, etc.  And then as Pacov points out in his commentary at the link, we were just better organized.  The two times after Catas that we dropped a flag, we were calling over vent for a relock, it's just that we all happened to run out of teles or locks or our ports were on cooldown - we typically know 15 seconds before the flag lock drops who is going to port in and relock it, and how much time is on the timer.

We brought in, by end of the game numbers,  112,255 gold vs 93842 for them.  Thats a HUGE difference, 'especially on a map where there are no gold mine flags of the opponents you can cap.  Thats almost completely caused by how much better we were at currency upgrades - maybe 5k of that difference is from kills.

Also, of course, the fact that tshughes and futileemotion won the 2v2 match on the artifact side so convincingly really helped too.  tshughes is a BEAST - the last time he lost was a 4v4 86 games ago, our premade (same people) vs iamkira, orcun_BL, bierkananier, and posidenii - a game that we were winning until both Ryan and I dropped.  Tim's our hero

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October 9, 2009 4:25:44 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Thanks for the breakdown, Sarmis.

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October 11, 2009 12:29:26 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting Sarmis,


18:40  Trousersnake and Purgespam manage to get SocialistRyan at the health flag in a 2v2.  Your team has gotten the last two kills, and controls 3 flags.  

 tshughes is a BEAST - the last time he lost was a 4v4 86 games ago, our premade (same people) vs iamkira, orcun_BL, bierkananier, and posidenii - a game that we were winning until both Ryan and I dropped.  Tim's our hero

 

i have a problem with this. my memory is a little foggy but i seem to recall me not dieing, having the most kills, and the most flags. though again my memory is a bit off. also i dont recall droping out in that one game where we were winning. i mean won. >.>

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October 13, 2009 3:21:23 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

I think the most interesting thing about that 4v4 on leviathan (First replay vs saramis et al) is the two Erebus builds. Quintassential Assassin build (Has full mass charm, and bat swarm) vs a... wonky hybrid.  I think Kallel was trying 'something' out, but it doesn't end up working.  He gets killed due to a lack of batswarm early. Having myself tried a 'no batswarm' build with Erebus... and suffering similar defeat at the hands of worthy opponents, I think it is safe to say that not getting batswarm at 5 is a big mistake.

But yeah, you guys wait too long on currency. It was a really amazing game though, and I think it is VERY IMPORTANT that a fewthings be noted:

1) Every player uses the same favor item, blood of the fallen.

2) Every players gets banded armor.

3) All Generals Buy Monks (or better)

4) Both teams are an exact DG mirror match

5) I don't think I saw an item bought that was worth over 2k in gold.

6) The only speed item purchased was wand of Speed.

7) In general, the item purchases were from a pool of only about half a dozen items.

(I point these balance things out, because I've played with most/all of these people, and know they are all quite good)

I was very surprised that Counter Healing wasn't gotten earlier by both teams.  I don't know if Saramis ever picked it up, but considering those megalithic combats involving hordes of monks/clerics/bishops, you'd think it'd be just a dominating skill.  Guess it just came a bit too late.

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October 13, 2009 11:04:00 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

I got it at level 9, iirc - but the game was pretty much over before I got past level 8.  I definetly erred in not getting it at 8, and was kicking myself for it then - one of those times where you grab your skill point in a hurry.

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October 13, 2009 5:44:04 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Just for fun, a very short replay of Pacov/Kalel/Rawr vs Me/tshughes/and a semi-random third.  It's also an example of why this ranking system frustrates me so - when we get a drop, it's a loss.  When other people in the top 20 play us and get a drop, it's a incomplete or the game just dissapears.

 

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&tab=upcoming&show=details&id=98353

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October 13, 2009 7:39:51 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting Sarmis,
Just for fun, a very short replay of Pacov/Kalel/Rawr vs Me/tshughes/and a semi-random third.  It's also an example of why this ranking system frustrates me so - when we get a drop, it's a loss.  When other people in the top 20 play us and get a drop, it's a incomplete or the game just dissapears.

 

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&tab=upcoming&show=details&id=98353

Poop on you!  Can't even act like a goof for 1 game... we'll redo this matchup when you are free next

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October 13, 2009 7:46:28 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

I'm hoping to get a bit of gaming in with tshughes tonight, depending on the status of this paper that is due at 8 AM.  1.5 of 6 pages written, 13 hours to go.  Given my normal track record of a page an hour for a very good paper, I have some hope!

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