Cap flags on the other side and center forcing them to seperate or fall behind in war rank.  Attack in mass when they are alone.  Fight behind the towers and hope they get aggressive (read: cocky) and one strays into the towers where you can stun and tele-gank them.

The problem is, this becomes a serious threat at level 5, which is still early game.

Rook at level 5 has tower power, archer and laser turrets, boulder, slam

Ereb at level 5 has: bite 2, charm 2, bat swarm

Beast at level 5 has: grasp - ooze / spit etc.

I played 3x with an oak ally. He will shield whoever is focus fired on first, but when erebus does bat swarm into charm, they change targets to the next lowest HP ally who is caught in stun and doesnt have shield on them.

I played beast last game, sigils help keep you alive longer, but you will still not survive.

warpstone = 5500 gold. in order to afford that at level 5 I have to buy nothing else, so i die either way cuz I have no armor.

Pots are intterupted. plus you have to stop moving if you use a pot, and thats your death as well.

Cloak was great, our oak had it, once boulder hits us, he would cloak behind the rook, and penitence him before the first slam comes out. But now he's deeper behind the enemy, and the other 2 teammates still have to worry about charm / grasp and the 2nd boulder thats almost off cooldown.

Sedna heal would be good, except if they see a sedna, they would just focus attack her instead, otherwise yes, she could heal an ally. She becomes the new target, thats the issue with her.

Journeyman are too expensive at this point in the game

Problem is they are never alone. Rook has amulet of TP favor. and he drops 1 tower in each lane, so even if he doesn't cap a flag, his allies can TP onto the tower. It's now 3v3, and it becomes a stun fest.

The thing is, they don't need to separate. Rook puts a tower down next to our gold mine tower, moves to the other side of it, begins hitting the tower for massive damage, the other 2 heros move in for the tower kill as well. If you decide, "screw it, let them have the tower, lets just take their gold mine tower as a counter" it doesnt work. They kill your tower before you kill theirs, then they tp ontop of their damaged tower, and its a stun fest. If you choose to defend your tower, it's hard because that's the lane that rook was slowly moving up, so there's a mass of towers there, and 3 stun heroes. Rook places towers so they hit your tower, plus his shoulder cannons are blasting your tower as well, so in reality you're defending nothing. Plus, you eat slams all day because of charm + graps, rook doesnt need level 2 boulder to land a clean slam with those allies.

If you ignore them, they just locked your gold mine.

The players are smart enough to not run past towers at low level without armor.

They want you to fight them straight up, thats how they do the most damage, even if it's 3v3. They still have advantage. If you cower behind your own tower, rook TP's with amulet to the other side, and works your other tower...... someone has to move. if you don't. that tower is dead. As long as rook can put down a tower next to your bases tower, he can work yoru tower while taking 0 damage.

I didn't just make this post because i'm lazy. im really having a difficult time figuring out a counter, but i dont want to be the first person to scream imba. I have a different hero order my team can go to counter, but I have to test it out still. Just need to play those players 1 more time.

Also, war rank is sorta irrelevant in this match. They go for a super early push, either before you go back to shop for the first time and get cur 1 / tower health, or immediately afterwards. The game is over by the time you or one of your allies gets level 10.... which is what made going oak kinda silly because we could not use his true potential because by the time he got level 10 the game was practically over.

Playground, I agree, it's a tough fight.  

I think the best advice is the piece Trigeminal wrote: cap mid and hold the other side flags. They WILL need to separate, or fall behind in war score.  If they move to mid to cap, go get the other flag and lock.  If they are capping your gold flag, cap theirs.

The next best is the Sedna advice: silence at 5.  That's when you should start moving in on their group.   She has a 15 second cool down on it (I think), which is pretty quick.

TB would also be a viable option with deepfreeze.

U could also use boulder roll against them.

don't totally discount using their moves, because their not theirs.

im not saying u should copy them, but u can interrupt them, and yeah, i think TB could have potential, and has any1 considered Reg?

You can go for a 3v3 fight (run around as a full team if they do so), or you can just sit way back behind towers whenever you know they're not spread out, and if they still go for someone, tele in when LE batswarms.  If you have Oak, you should be able to win 3v3 easily; interrupt Mass Charm, and don't waste shield early.

Hmmmm.... I think a replay would be helpful

hammer doesnt have slow until full lvl.

ooze doesnt slow at all.

anyway my solution (only hypothetical) is this:

TB, Oak and sedna.

sedna gets cloak of night favour item, others get what they want.

TB hp/armor stacks, with a sigil of vitality always handy.

sedna solos in one lane, whilest tb and oak pair up in another lane.

when you see rook teleport to oak and TB you split appart so you both arent stunned, if oak is stunned TB uses frost nova(at max possible range) and deep freeze to try and interrupt. when TB is stunned/slowed oak uses shield and stands his monk idols next to him whilst he is running away.

if rook teleports to kill sedna he uses cloak of night, silence or heal or health pot.

this setup is still flawed i know, but thats how i would try and counter this setup.

The full effect I'm talking about isn't so much about weak level 1 towers, weak level 1 slam..... it's the fact that at level 5 the three demigods all have their stun spell. That's the full effect. That's the point everyone is missing. It's the stunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn that's crazy. Everything else is just a bonus. if you're stunned for 5+ seconds at level 5 and all 3 demi gods are hitting you with everything they got...... then they resume stunning you a few seconds later........ you're dead.

You can't 2v1 the rook. I'll say this for the last time (I sound bitchy although I do appreciate the input, but most people fail to think before they post, a post doesnt help me, an insightful post helps me) If you gang up on the rook, his allies TP in and you get triple stunned, and the triple stun cycle can be repeated in twice in one battle. (THAT'S THEIR STRAT. THEY WANT YOU TO DO THAT). If you gang up on rook, he sees you coming, and allies dont have TP's... he has amulet of teleport favor item. He tp's out, and they 3v1 your tower on the opposite side.

If you keep the rook at bay, and let him push. His allies tp in, and 3v1 your gold mine tower. Your options are as follows: (Last time I am going to write this)

1. Defend your tower, eat triple stun x2 in 1 battle.

2. Ignore them.... lose your tower and get your gold mine capped early

3A. Go for their tower, except they do more damage vs towers than you because of spit + hammer slam + rook towers placed near your base tower.

3B. Your base tower drops before you can kill their base tower........ All three guys TP on top of you - triple stun x2 in one battle.

"Don't expect to win against Posidenii without a top-notch premade anyways." I think Posiden is great, he's rank 1, and played 18 games since the patch got released hours ago. says something about his dedication to the video game. That's not the issue. The issue is that your little sister could pwn anyone with this strategy. If you really wanted to counter it, you have to know that they are going to do it before the match even starts, pick your demi gods accordingly, pick your abilities accordingly and work as a team. It's easier to cast interrupts and stuns than it is to interrupt them. You have to work harder, be psychic and know that they were planning this anyway, and have a counter plan for this one specific strategy. It's not a typical match where you can pick your dg's, adapt as the game goes on, and out play someone. You have to be specifically looking for this strat, and if you don't see it coming, you're finished.

No, because if the rook misses, you have to deal with charm and grasp, and boulder cooldown will be back shortly after both spells are cast and finished. Since the erebus has bat swarm and charm, he can effectively stun you from great distances. Giving beast time to walk up and grasp. If boulder misses, I guess you could say "then interrupt the charm." Problem with the charm is you select penitence / pounce / interrupt of your choice, and click on erebus. He's now teleporting, the game doesn't auto correct your interrupt for that, so you still have your interrupt selected in your DG in game dashboard. He stuns as soon as he gets out of bat swarm and now your interrupt is on cooldown even thouh you never got a chance to use it. In a perfect world, you could do this, with the current state of DG internet coupled with the slowdown of 6 players on screen in 1 spot at the same time from different parts of the world - you can't interrupt in time. For pen you have to click 2 - move mouse over to erebus - then click on him. All erebus has to do is bat swarm - then mash the 3 button for mass charm. No aiming / pointing / clicking required. And it's area of effect. Hitting your entire team.

Perhaps the 'level 5" thing is what's throwing everyone off. Even if you don't die. Your team is hurt, and you didnt do a single point of damage to them yet. So they are free to wreck your tower. Or, you fight them at half health, and they murder your entire team by repeating the same process all over again.

P.S. If a rook misses boulder on cataract, he should uninstall the game. It's a narrow corridor straight away - no matter which direction you go and he has 3 potential targets. The one he hits, signals to the rest of the guys who the stun victim will be. Also, when I said ooze slows, I wasn't referring to movement speed, just attack speed, I figured any negative effect is worth mentioning.

I mean, seriously think about this. The team on the other end of the internets does this:

1. Rook: hit "1" left click - Right click on stunned enemy - 3 Actions

2. Erebus: hit "4" bat swarm near stunned target.... press 3. Press "1" left click on enemy for bite, then right click on enemy. 6 Actions

3. Beast: Right click on enemy - press "4" left click on enemy. right click again - 4 Actions

Total: 13 button / mouse clicks for the team. No "timing" required because you're fuckign stunned still stupid haha.

Other team:

TIME an intterupt.

Use cloak to avoid

heal allies

shield allies

use items

whatever else you want to do it doesn't really matter. Point being you have to work much harder just to survive, not even beat it.

The other team does 13 actions between 3 players on a non-moving still target, and it counters most if not all matchups you can throw at it. My point is..... how do you counter the 2 strongest gameplay mechanics stun and damage?

My only suggestion is Orb of Defiance, and play tower gaurd strat. And make sure your team has TP scrolls for counter gank or lane switch. TB would be ok for tower defense, as long as they go frost. Me personally Like QoT in this situation if your playing her as tank/support. Bubble can make such a huge difference.

there is a cap on stun. 2/3 seconds of immunity so u cannot chain it. unsurprisingly the only exception to this rule is UB's foul grasp, thats the only way they can chain stun you.