This game is great but there are 2 things that HON does better...

By on August 27, 2009 3:04:09 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

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First off heros of new earth is 10 times more stable then Demigod. Whats worse is that HON is free for now, whiule I payed money for demi god.

 

Second it feels like there are 100 times more players on HON. Again, I payed for Demigod and Hon is free. Yet i can't play DEmiGod become NO one else is playing it. And when i do try to play it the Lobby crashes. Just now my friends and i tried to get a game going and it crashed 3 times just in the lobby. WTF?

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August 27, 2009 11:12:48 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

I have spoken to at least 40 people on DG all who have told me the game is unstable.

 

I have installed 3 times. I even reinstall the OS. I've tried Vista and Windows 7.

 

People lag out and the lobby crashes. I payed money to play against other palyers. If they where smart they would give away more copies.

 

Another thing they could do is give delete Skrimish. That way more people would either play pantheon or custom. 3 game times sub divide the players to much. 

 

And honestly i dont care about new demigods. I would rather have a more stable game.

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August 27, 2009 11:32:47 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

I think this is my first post....

 

I think what people are saying is true... I havent played demigod in a while, though I browse the homepage daily to see for new journal posts cause I really really have faith in the game... I love GPG and SD, maybe thats why...

The whole demigod concept is really nice, it is VERY sad the problems it had, I think SD has made many bad decisions... and to tell the truth a lot of time has passed, and from what I hear the same problems persist, and altought SD says that they are working 100% on them, the other smaller companies (HoN/LoL developers) update a lot faster, have better netcode, por options, etc.

It looks like all is lost for DG, competition will get tougher as time passes, but I think DG still has a chance, if what GPG concept really comes true, im talking about 5v5 balanced team matchmaking, constant hero and map updates ( When I bought DG i thought well have double the heroes and maps by now) and STABILITY....

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August 28, 2009 1:41:50 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

I have spoken to at least 40 people on DG all who have told me the game is unstable.

I have installed 3 times. I even reinstall the OS. I've tried Vista and Windows 7.

People lag out and the lobby crashes. I payed money to play against other palyers. If they where smart they would give away more copies.

Another thing they could do is give delete Skrimish. That way more people would either play pantheon or custom. 3 game times sub divide the players to much.

And honestly i dont care about new demigods. I would rather have a more stable game.

And it could not possibly be you, your pc or your ISP causing any of this could it? How is it that so many others have perfectly fine connections and games then?

But you, and others like you are quick to blame the game....sigh.

Have you contacted support@stardock.com? Have you posted about your specific issues along with logs here on the forums?

HoN works for you and DG doesnt, so you bash DG and say its the games fault.....

As for the rest of you comments in that post....well i think my brain just exploded.

and STABILITY....

Where is all this instability. I am from AU and if there was all these problems in connections theni think i would see my share, since i always have to connect to the US or EU.

Check your PC's/net/ISP guys before announcing how instable DG is....there are thousands playing with perfectly fine and stable connections and games.....

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August 28, 2009 3:08:50 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Check your PC's/net/ISP guys before announcing how instable DG is....there are thousands playing with perfectly fine and stable connections and games.....

dont get all shitty at someone because the game works for you and not them. if you are a customer you would expect a working game for yourself.

besides, their are countless games where people do not have to worry about their ISP/PC/connections/portforwarding at all. all they have to do is buy the game, install it and click multiplayer and it works.

HoN works for you and DG doesnt, so you bash DG and say its the games fault.....

he has a fair point. just because he likes HoN better than this game it doesnt mean you have to rage at him for it.

Where is all this instability. I am from AU and if there was all these problems in connections theni think i would see my share, since i always have to connect to the US or EU.

this is only due to the fact that atm anyone who had/has bad connections doesnt play this game anymore.

But you, and others like you are quick to blame the game....sigh.

most of the people left in this community are blinded by their love of this game that they dont see its problems.

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August 28, 2009 5:01:16 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting StAcK3D_ActR,

Check your PC's/net/ISP guys before announcing how instable DG is....there are thousands playing with perfectly fine and stable connections and games.....
dont get all shitty at someone because the game works for you and not them. if you are a customer you would expect a working game for yourself.

besides, their are countless games where people do not have to worry about their ISP/PC/connections/portforwarding at all. all they have to do is buy the game, install it and click multiplayer and it works.


HoN works for you and DG doesnt, so you bash DG and say its the games fault.....
he has a fair point. just because he likes HoN better than this game it doesnt mean you have to rage at him for it.


Where is all this instability. I am from AU and if there was all these problems in connections theni think i would see my share, since i always have to connect to the US or EU.
this is only due to the fact that atm anyone who had/has bad connections doesnt play this game anymore.


But you, and others like you are quick to blame the game....sigh.
most of the people left in this community are blinded by their love of this game that they dont see its problems.

Some of us never SEE the problems.. and if, with, the reports given to them, GPG can't RECREATE the problems how are they to fix them?

 

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August 28, 2009 6:14:37 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

ACCORDING TO STABILITY:

Well I only play LAN games with my friends....and I am a sort of computer specialist. Have a lot of computers at home all different kinds from very old P2 to veery new, my gaming PC.

This PC is except the GTX260 about 2 years old. Running with XP64 Bit. I got a lot of computer games of all different kinds. BfME2, UT3, Star trek Armada, Anno, Spellforce and so on.

Every game except DemiGod runs perfect. So now you want to tell me that the problem is in the OS and not in the game? After testing and testing and testing for days I found out that this weird problem is partly related to my AV. After switching it off it is possible to play with Assasins without a crash otherwise every single game.

 

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August 28, 2009 6:24:35 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

In my opinion HoN looks like shit.

-I do not like the graphic, it was hard to see what was happening in the battle. I do not care at all about graphic, the only thing I want is a way for the computer to show me a very clear picture of what is going on.

-I do not want 40 heroes to choose from because it will reduce the balance. Chess has 2 colors to choose from and they are basically the same. Even so the game is quite popular.

-I do not want a big text on the screen looking like blood when I kill people. I would much rather see what is behind the text. Don't you think you will ever get tired of that effect?

-I do not want a faster game because it will give me less time to plan my strategy. Yes acually when the game gets faster the strategy becomes less important. 

 

I saw a gameplay video of HoN and I only laughed. For me it is impossible to understand why anyone would want a game to be like that. After Starcraft, Demigod is the only game that has made me really intrested. I wish demigod cost money to play. It is the only game that is worth my attention at the moment. Most games produced overall are shit, made to sell good because of the graphic or blood or sexual content. Obviosly the computer game customers are mostly kids or in any case expected to be.

On my time playing computer was not accepted like it is today. Nerds played computer games because they loved it, so much they just could not stay away from it. The games on that time was made for such players. Now everyone is playing games and they seem to think that a game is just an interactive movie. A game without a story is like a movie without a story to them. Where did all the real gamers go? Have they all gotten a wife and kids with no time to play? 

So if a really good game was expensive enough then perhaps the not so many older gamers could play without the kids. I am prepared to pay 200$ for a game that is as good as starcraft. Why are there no games like ROLEX? the premium stuff. Anyway Demigod is the closest thing at the moment and compared to the games made when I was young the graphic is amazing and the connectivity is awesome. I can endure almost anything for a really good game.

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August 28, 2009 6:26:13 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

dont get all shitty at someone because the game works for you and not them.

I'm not being shitty at all, just trying to point out that what is true for one is not for many others.

just because he likes HoN better than this game it doesn't mean you have to rage at him for it.

LOL....c'mon stacked...you really call that a rage? He can like, as you can, HoN all you like, why post on the DG forums about how much better it (supposedly) is than DG.

How does that help the Demigod community? It doesn't, and all it does do is sew the seeds of even more negativity.

most of the people left in this community are blinded by their love of this game that they don't see its problems.

Oh i see them. What i fail to see is what good bashing DG and comparing it's problems to what people call a fault free game does for DG.

SD/GPG know the issues. Praising another title and constantly bashing DG certainly does not encourage the devs to put more time and money into Demigod, does it?

Love HoN? Fine, i have no issue with that. How about singing it's praises on the HoN forums instead of hurting the DG community even more.

Continuous threads such as this do nothing to help DG. There may not be as many peeps playing now as there once was....doesn't mean we cant enjoy the game still, and that is going to be hard to do with all the HoN lovers and their negativity toward DG.

most of the people left in this community are blinded by their love of this game that they don't see its problems.

Not any more than the HoN/LoL/Dota lovers are blinded by it's "perfection", and that nothing could possibly compare....or at least that's the feeling these threads portray.

This game may not be perfect, but we like it, and do not want to see it abandoned due to community negativity.

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August 28, 2009 6:28:59 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

In my opinion HoN looks like shit.

I agree....But i won't be found on the HoN forums professing that.

Just doesnt seem to be of any value to do.

Wish the reverse was also true.

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August 28, 2009 6:35:32 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

hon got the worst crowd ever,ppl only care about k/d ratios

also they took 1 thing from dota which is the worst feature in a game ever; the killing blow mechanic

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August 28, 2009 6:54:35 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

First of, i actually like DG better then HON.

 

Second. Not only do I have a bachelor’s degree in IT, but I have literally played over 100 games on my computer. I know when it’s the game and not my machine. The fact that I have installed it on different OSs and HD proves it the Game and not the computer.

 

The fact that all the players i play with complain about how crappy the code is is proof there are problems. I personally know 2 dozen people who have stoped playing this game because of either bugs OR because ther are not enough players. TODAY i went to the custom lobby and there where only 2 games going. 2! No matter what that should NEVER be a problem.

 

And even if the game DOESN"T crash for you, you can't tell me there are major pathfinding problems with this game. Today one of my monks got stuck on the Cit. NO way to move him at all. i had to buy a TP scroll to get him out. How many of you have gotten stuck turning corners or jsut turning around with Rook or Sedna. Heck i've stop playing sedna all together its that bad.

 

All im saying is that I payed to have a fully working game. I love this game. i've played almost 300 matches since i got it. I'm just disappointed that it is not doing better because of all the really bad coding.

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August 28, 2009 7:06:37 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting ItchyDustbin,

Quoting obbeskrutt, reply 7Keep in mind that HoN is still in Beta, and will cost over $30 when it goes retail. But also keep in mind that HoN is not a new game on its own, but a cardboard copy of DotA with _nothing_ new to it with exception for the fluid 3D engine and the matchmaking UI.

Sorry but I highly doubt you've even played HoN after reading this. There's a lot of new heroes with more being released almost weekly (although a lot are ports), and 2 new maps already with more in the works.

I have to admit that new features have been added since I checked it out last time (about four weeks ago), but it's still no secret that the HoN developers doesn't really do anything new in terms of gameplay. Item stats, hero stats, map design, enemy algorithms and gameplay mechanics are identical to DotA. This is no secret, and this is why I believe Demigod is way better, as SD/GPG actually made something NEW.

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August 28, 2009 7:25:15 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Thanks to Obbeskrutt, I got an HoN beta key and tried a couple of games last night.

First impressions of the main lobby and matchmaking were fantastic.  There were over 18,000 people online and hundreds of open games to choose from.  The filtering options made it easy to screen them all down to the couple of dozen noob games I was looking for.  Chat and friend lists are also conveniently located on the same screen.  Game options included leaver screening as well.  Once you join a game lobby, which was fast, you see the stats of others who have joined, and get an estimate of the team balance with options to shuffle and such.  Wonderful wonderful wonderful stuff.  How I wish DG had this.

For the game itself, I need to read and play more before I can develop an opinion.  I did miss being able to zoom in and out of the action, so will need to adjust to using the mini-map for that.  It also seemed to have a very quick pace.  Maybe as you progress in levels and stack up on items, you'll have more time to sit and strategically slug it out, but otherwise I tended to find myself on the run after just a few seconds in a melee.

Oh, look at the time... gotta run.

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August 28, 2009 8:05:59 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Second. Not only do I have a bachelor’s degree in IT, but I have literally played over 100 games on my computer. I know when it’s the game and not my machine.

Well not to throw mud on your degree but why have you not (assuming you havent here) considered that your issues are as a result of your DG install and your PC. I have played as many games as you, both DG and PC, and i have no issues with DG. I know at least 30 others that can play fine.

If the game works for the many it cannot be the sole fault of the game when it fails the few.

I wont and have not denied the game has flaws. I just fail to see how constantly throwing those flaws in the face of SD/GPG with the attached, "HoN doesnt do that...or..HoN does this, DG doesn't" helps the Demigod community.

It is a shame you have problems with DG, and if i could help i would. I simply fail to see how it helps the game as a whole to throw all this negativity about. How good HoN is is irrelavent, IMHO, how Demigod can be made better should be the threads we see.

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August 28, 2009 9:39:35 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

I have played as many games as you, both DG and PC, and i have no issues with DG. I know at least 30 others that can play fine

 

So you have never had a crash to desktop with no debug screen come up?

Never had a crash to desktop from lobby with the debug screen come up?

Never had the background sound effects play on non stop loop without having to quit out to stop it?

Never had in game desyncs for no apparent reason?

Never had people lag so badly in game you had to restart?

 

I know that some of these factors are linked to peoples PCs, however they can be countered. Other games counter them so why not this one?

 

It did sadden me to see Brads comment on Elemental, that those with poor connections will just be blocked from the game. I am not sure why that game needs so much bandwidth.

 

Essentially, the gaming lobby for this game has been bolted on with tight timescales and a limited budget, by a company that need more experience in online gaming. Stardock have admitted this, however, it doesn't stop customers being frustrated. I have pretty much put the game to the side now, hoping that it can improve. However, I spent many evenings spending so long looking at lobby screens and having games crash out, I don't really have happy memories about this game. Now is better, but at the start it was a really rough time to play a game that is pretty good.

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August 28, 2009 10:25:28 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Never had people lag so badly in game you had to restart?

Of course i have. I'm in AU so i often see pings with +500, i just don't start those games. Lag and spikes are much more PC/Net related then Demigod itself.

Never had in game desyncs for no apparent reason?

For no apparent reason? No.

Never had the background sound effects play on non stop loop without having to quit out to stop it?

Nope, never had sound probllems, though a friend of mine has had some issues with DG's sound. Cuts in and out IIRC.

Never had a crash to desktop from lobby with the debug screen come up?

Not many from the lobby, (has happened when logging in) but yes, i have had a few. No more so then any other game, and it is not really an issue.

None of that changes my point. Demigod has its flaws, some experiance more tha others. Griping about it and informing the commuity how much better HoN is does nothing to fix any of the above. 

If anything it makes fixes less likely.

Report your problems to support@stardock and/or post your logs in the forums......

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August 28, 2009 10:45:07 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Well, you can look at it as destructive bashing for not having the features to begin with, or as constructive criticism for what needs to be improved.  It's not encouraging to hear that new screens (and maps) are too expensive to produce, because that implies no changes are forthcoming to the dismal matchmaking.

It's all academic anyway, because the community is too small now for proper matchmaking to make a difference.

DG should probably just be shelved, and DG II initiated, with many many lessons learned about matchmaking, UI, net code, modding framework, etc.

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August 28, 2009 11:39:24 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Griping about it and informing the commuity how much better HoN is does nothing to fix any of the above.

 

Actually people are more likely to respond to complaints than they are to people either saying nothing or saying well done, but could you possibly if you have time have a look at this, only if you have nothing more important to do.

 

Countless Psychology experiments show that being beaten by a stick improves efficiency and outperforms any kind of carrot dangling.

 

I have griped about it rarely in my history of posting on this forum, however, I can understand when others gripe. If they are griping in a polite manner and not threatening to bomb people etc. then I think it is constructive to some degree.

 

This game needs players to survive, being the lone wolf with a perfect experience won't be much fun in the long run. We all understand that.

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August 28, 2009 12:08:48 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting Neilo,

Never had in game desyncs for no apparent reason?
For no apparent reason? No.

People leaving mid-match may be an apparent reason for desynchs but not an acceptable reason for them.

Not to say I support HoN; I have had some bad run-ins with S2Games support in the past, but I've been happily moving on from this fantastic but ultimately and unfortunately bug-laden game.

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August 28, 2009 12:13:27 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting Neilo,
Check your PC's/net/ISP guys before announcing how instable DG is....there are thousands playing with perfectly fine and stable connections and games.....

right. half of the games i play have someone (you are playing against other people, yes?) out of the 3v3 or 4v4 have issues, with either their connection or sim speed. its a RTS with a minimal number of units in the field, there's absolutely no reason for there to be this many issues. there's FPS games that can support 64+ people with their "unstable" connections as you put it (where you have to aim to kill people). they need to seriously rethink how they build their multiplayer games from now on.

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August 28, 2009 12:47:53 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

I know everyone is going to say TLDNR but whatever, here goes anyways.

Quoting Neilo,

In my opinion HoN looks like shit.
I agree....But i won't be found on the HoN forums professing that.

Just doesnt seem to be of any value to do.

Wish the reverse was also true.

This point is invalid because you didn't pay for HoN.  I have not complained about the look of DG at all, I just want the game to work as well as these other games.  Since you don't want us to compare games are you saying we just sit on our hands and be happy with the fact that other games are doing things SO MUCH better?

None of that changes my point. Demigod has its flaws, some experiance more tha others. Griping about it and informing the commuity how much better HoN is does nothing to fix any of the above.

I think people are griping about it in hopes that Brad or someone that actually cares will listen.

I read all of your replies Neilo and think you are completely blinded to the fact that there are problems or that the DG experience is far less robust than other games.  Let me clarify what I mean by robust first: by robust I mean that the process of playing the game from the time of launch to the time of shut down is easy, full of features, stable in terms of bugs, and enjoyable.  For me Demigod is like this:

1. Finding a game: I usually play custom games so I first need to find a game in my area (I would try Pantheon or Skirmish but no one is ever playing or it takes a long time to get a game and even then it is usually 2v2 or 3v3 which is not as compelling).  I double click on the game to join and then wait to join the lobby. Note that there is no way to filter games AT ALL.

2. Connecting to the lobby: This works OK, sometimes it is slow though.  Things have improved and now I feel like this is fine.

3. The lobby: The lobby is OK, my only complaint here is the retarded user interface in which you have to scroll to find the random options. Oh, and I am constantly scared to alt+tab for fear the game will crash (this used to happen everytime, not sure if it happens any more).

4. The game loads: I hate the loading screen.  Why?  Because there is no indication as to why things are taking so long.  Sometimes you wonder if people have dropped etc. but there is no feedback at all.

5. The actual game:

  • You cross your fingers that there is no lag because if there is then everyone is screwed.
  • The game's graphics are good although I don't think that the presence of the Demigods is pronounced enough.  I say this because some of the Demigods blend in and you can't even see them in a large fight (I'm looking at you Erebus ).
  • The features are good, lots of choices in skills and citadel upgrades.
  • The differences from DotA are a nice enhancement.
  • The strategy elements are good.
  • The minimap BLOWS (since it is unclickable).
  • The controls are fine, but as I said before there are bugs STILL.  Demigods breakdance on the corners in Cataract (because the get stuck and just stand there fighting with the corner).  Minions will many times not follow my DG from the base to wherever I go because they get caught on something and wont move (happens on Zikurat frequently).  Sometimes I have had friends complain that spells won't work.  I hate it when you click a button to initaite a skill and it stops your movement.  Rearranging items in slots is stupidly difficult.
  • There are desync issues, critical game states, disconnects (without the option to rejoin)
  • The AI is PANTS ON HEAD RETARDED (reference: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/8-Halo-3).  If someone leaves you might as well give up because the AI will feed the entire game.  I have won very few games where someone leaves.
  • The game is missing so many documentation details.  Exactly how many points do you need to get to warscore 8?  I have no idea, I just sit there and hope that the day will come soon.  You get a buff when an ally dies?  What does it do?  Who has what?  I have no idea.

How often do you play 5v5 games?  In DG I find it to be VERY hard to get a 5v5 going and once you do, inevetably someone lags and the whole game is screwed.  In both HoN and LoL every game I have played has been 5v5 and I have had 0 connectivity/lag problems.

The icing on the cak is that the game has been out for 5 months now (almost) so let me ask you this: do you think that these problems are still acceptable?

Also, here is another big problem.  From reading the posts from Brad it is clear to me that there is no way that either SD or GPG is commited to seeing DG furthered (in any tangible way in a reasonable amount of time).  They will maybe drop some new DGs in a few months, but that is it.  GPG is off doing some other game and SD is focused on Elemental.  So, in a sense you are right that griping in these forums will do nothing because no one is listening or even if they are they won't do anything about it because it is "too expensive".

I am not "bashing" DG, I am trying to point out how frustrating it is to be a paying customer for a product that seems like it is not going to be fixed.

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August 28, 2009 1:21:59 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Ive played both games quite a bit and HoN makes Demigod look bush league status. Other than unit graphics HoN has Demigod beat in every possible way and it's only in beta.

 

 

Sad really....

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August 28, 2009 2:31:56 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting f1do,
Ive played both games quite a bit and HoN makes Demigod look bush league status. Other than unit graphics HoN has Demigod beat in every possible way and it's only in beta.

 

 

Sad really....

your opinion really...

everyone can like what they like, I for exemple think demigod is one of the best games around on its gameplay side so other problems can always be fixed as long as gameplay is good.

I have yet to try HON but i will say it look good but not my type of games and thats ok. The fact u like HON in any possible way more than demigod doenst say its actualy like that, its say that this is your opinion.

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August 28, 2009 3:36:06 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

your opinion really...

Here are the facts, not opinions, for Demigod: http://forums.demigodthegame.com/359551

I expect this for a product that is NOT retail.  How can anyone look at that and not feel cheated?

BTW, I want to say that I like the actual game, its just that all of the problems associated with it make me not want to play.  Time is valuable and I want to spend as much of my time playing the game and not wasting my time with crashes/errors/bugs.

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August 28, 2009 4:19:24 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Wow, did anyone else take a look at Nielo's game history?  That has to be a record for N/A games.  WTF is going on there?  This game has bugs, and lots of them.  Most of them are not game crippling, but they are there.  The lobby bug is especially attrocious where a person stops showing up to everyone else.  By your list of games, most of your games are against the computer.  You'd see a lot more in the way of bugs if you played human opponents. 

95% of the time, for me anyway, the game works fine.  The biggest isue is the lobby.  That thing will crash if you look at it funny.

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